Misinformation correction: M&S Staff

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M&S have responded to people's enquiries, here's one:

https://bsky.app/profile/dpdormouse.bsky.social/post/3lvuzitrplc2f

As expected the staff member was just doing their job, something that happens thousands of times a day in shops all over the country.

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

I fully expect all the GCs and media pundits who were pushing all sorts of hate to apologise, but as a person on their second LGBTQ moral panic I know very well how it goes.

I have absolutely no problem with trans-identifying males fitting bras for other trans-identifying males, in a male lingerie section.

Where did you say what? This is what you were answering.

“You may have inferred that, but she didn't actually say it with her actual words, did she.”
“And you keep saying she did.”

Are you saying you didn’t say directly that JK Rowling said that the male employee offered to fit a bra for this teenaged girl?

Because there is a list of posts a couple of pages back where you did use clear words to say that she said this.

Arguably there should be a centralised service in certain city centres which has well publicised dates it's available.

Therefore, they can offer a same sex service so women don't have to do it.

Sorry but if you’re having trouble tracking what my posts are responding to that’s your problem.

The post you’re quoting was not related to JKR, it was responding to another poster who thought one had a gotcha my inferring views about trans bra fitters which is entirely irrelevant to this situation.

Sorry but if you’re having trouble tracking what my posts are responding to that’s your problem.

The post you’re quoting was not related to JKR, it was responding to another poster who thought one had a gotcha my inferring views about trans bra fitters which is entirely irrelevant to this situation.

God you are unbelievable.

What you actually mean is "na I can't find my post on this either and that's really annoying because you are probably right but I can't possibly admit that because if I don't keep the conversation on what JKR said people might start talking about safeguarding and how I want to dismantle it again".

I'm in favour of having dedicated lingerie services for men who want them, and also invoking a single sex exemption for women's lingerie departments.

As I've said before, if men are being honest when they say they prefer the design and feel of women's knickers, there's nothing to stop them discreetly buying some on Amazon. Or a startup company producing attractive knickers in a female style that are cut to support male genitals. This would mean they wouldn't need to hang around the lingerie department of M&S giving women the heebie jeebies.

I'm afraid I suspect that, for quite a few men, giving women the heebie jeebies is what gets them off.

You have proved yourself that she didn't say that. You clearly state here she did so who is lying?

I don’t actually know what this stream of consciousness is intended to signify.

No I haven’t and she is.

Hiding behind the claim that she’s just referring hypothetically to ‘cross-dressing’ bra fitters, apropos of nothing, is transparent BS.

Her post makes absolutely no sense unless you consider that her claim was that this situation involved an offer of bra fitting. Otherwise bra fitting had zero relevance to the situation.

@Maddy70

You know bras are just items of clothes right?

So why then if women's undies are so innocuous that men go into M&S and choose to ejaculate on the women's underwear?

I know this because I tried on a lace body only to find a 'deposit' on it 🤢 when I handed it in to an assistant she responded with 'oh no, not another one, I'm so sorry '.

So it's a regular thing. Grim.

Exactly, like Mr Guardian here

I bought my first pair of knickers in January. Within a month, I was wearing knickers and tights under my clothes almost all the time. My partner of 20 years has embraced this wholeheartedly.

Sometimes we go shopping together. I let the sales ladies know I am shopping for myself. As I pay, I smile and wink, as if to say, “I am enjoying this even if you aren’t.”

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/03/my-life-in-sex

🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢

Still blows my mind that the Guardian would publish that. Though it probably shouldn't.

I'm sure there are men who lament that top shelf magazines are no longer a thing, because taking your purchase to the counter when there was a woman serving was part of the thrill.

@PlanetJanette is up there with @Tandora on the other thread for demonstrating that TRAs' imaginations trump reality every time.

In their heads.

That the Guardian would publish that, confirming that it knows a proportion of Transwomen are AGP, while at the same time calling women who don't want these men in their spaces 'bigots'.

I don't have the words. What complete scum they are 🤬

Planet Janet is an odd place.

To be fair, the Guardian published it 8 years ago. Whether it would have done so it knew just how many of us would take our first steps towards fully peaked terfdom after reading it - I wonder.

I remember my shock at realising consent was just not a consideration for him, or for whoever accepted it for their sex column.

Would probably give it a swerve if I was Captain of a spaceship 🚀

They've been iffy in boundaries and consent for ages. Some of Pamela Stephenson's advice in their relationship column was red flag central.

Janet needs switching off and on again.

This is a great post. It describes a worldview where status and dominance are important and where the solution is therefore to try to identify and then remove or disable the 'leader'. This is a massive miscalculation of how UK GC women organise.

Still, never interrupt your enemy... etc etc

That's probably fair enough.

She goes back decades.

It was all ' my husband likes doing x in bed and I don't' and her response would be 'lean into it you might enjoy it'. Rather than respecting the boundary the letter writer had drawn.

Sure, Jan...