Misinformation correction: M&S Staff

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M&S have responded to people's enquiries, here's one:

https://bsky.app/profile/dpdormouse.bsky.social/post/3lvuzitrplc2f

As expected the staff member was just doing their job, something that happens thousands of times a day in shops all over the country.

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

I fully expect all the GCs and media pundits who were pushing all sorts of hate to apologise, but as a person on their second LGBTQ moral panic I know very well how it goes.

@illinivichsorry, I was scrolling and eating! And I’m already annoyed from seeing this crap on social media.

I don’t think anyone should be making any excuses for what could have been a child safeguarding situation.

As an adult the Tw should be emotionally aware and mature enough to question how his actions maybe questioned or portrayed.

Far better to be called a pearl clutcher in order to safe guard children than too turn a blind eye to even the slightest nagging doubt.

Surrey Police turned a blind eye to Stephen Ireland

Loads of people turned a blind eye to Jimmy Saville.

Its not transphobia it’s safeguarding

What’s absolutely fucking clear is that a WOMAN knows, remembers, being 14 and buying a bra. She knows the experience of all the emotions of puberty for a woman.
And a trans woman does not. So women understand why this matters, and a trans woman does not.

A TRA on Reddit was suggesting that groups of these men should head to M&S lingerie department as a protest. They know full well that it would make women uncomfortable to have a load of men there.

Well, that would certainly concentrate minds at M&S HQ.

How many women, actual women, would walk out and never come back? And talk about it on social media? Not to mention some sections of the press having a field day.

If it were to happen in reality, not in TRAs' imaginations, of course

Bring it on.

That's great publicity for M&S and it's lack of safeguarding.

A TRA on Reddit was suggesting that groups of these men should head to M&S lingerie department as a protest. They know full well that it would make women uncomfortable to have a load of men there.

But they are women, so why would a group of women make other women uncomfortable?

Unless.... 🤔

Ok. I see. You really don’t see the safeguarding issue here at all.

Trans ideology is that sex is hidden or irrelevant and its important that everyone is allowed to be their authentic self in every situation. They cant compromise any of this and still have TWAW.

Safeguarding, as we know, relies on knowing a persons sex and adult responsibilities. It means that adults cannot behave as the wish in every situation.

The two things cannot work at the same time. TRA want safeguarding to be rewritten, supporters are trying to reframe situations so safeguarding isnt relevant. So the girl becomes a customer, asking about underwear becomes helping with clothes. Every description has lost sex, because its important for the ideology and its important for the allies.

Theres an added element at play here where the customer is tasked with supporting the staff member being their authentic self. Its bad enough to expect that of an adult, but its crazy (understatement) to expected that of a child and an adult staff member.

The problem is that authorities refuse to see that conflict. No policy can be written that allows trans ideology and safeguarding to work simultaneously. And the cracks will always show when safeguarding is failling.

Yep i had a longer clip with that in it😬

they covered a lot of topics...

A TRA on Reddit was suggesting that groups of these men should head to M&S lingerie department as a protest. They know full well that it would make women uncomfortable to have a load of men there.

The mad thing about it is they think they will come out of it looking good.

Like the pee protest. They get upset when it doesnt get in the media, and dont realise the media is doing them a favour by pretending it isnt happening.

Or the Moob Parade.

What is Primark like for underwear? (Basically, do they have a sturdy but comfortable range?)

No not at all. I would expect them to treat me professionally help me find what I wanted in the store, and if I wanted a fitting direct me to the designated bra fitter ... You know , like any other member of staff would do

Are you incapable of finding what you want for yourself in M&S?

The ability to use a non-sexed pronoun and descriptions is handy.

No not at all. I would expect them him to treat me professionally help me find what I wanted in the store ask me my bra size and recomend a bra style and the bra fabrics and if I wanted a fitting direct me to the designated bra fitter ... You know , like any other member of staff woman would do.

You know you are ignoring the fact that this interaction wasnt initiated by the customer, and the customer was a child and the professional was a man in the section he wasnt allocated to?

The girl wasnt you. She was not expecting this help from staff.

The professional store designers paid big money to make sure customers can find what they want without assistance must be very upset to find Maddy can't manage.

Sad times.

Is it like dyslexia? Shop display blindness.

No. You don’t get to hide your lack of support for safeguarding by twisting this back to being about you. That is dishonest.

And it is also rather irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Are you incapable of finding what you want for yourself in M&S?

To be fair, I am. The bra department is a maze of haphazardly arranged displays. None of which seems to be cotton, comfortable and cut out the stupid itchy lace. I've wandered around for significant amounts of time there trying to find something vaguely practical looking and never been approached by any helpful member of staff. What are the odds the one time they do it's a male member of staff and an apparently unaccompanied teenaged girl eh?

You mean like when Sandie Peggie said “you shouldn’t be here” and “you’re a man” and ended up suspended? Or like all the NHS policies where if a patient said similar the hospital would go to their “withdrawal of treatment protocol”?

Excellent idea this!
I really really hope they do it.
Marvellous sunlight

Yes indeed – if you asked them to. Which it is absolutely clear this child did not do. So your entire line of argument is irrelevant and futile.

It also fails to take into account the information that M&S assistants are trained not to approach customers, but to wait to be approached. This man needs to be re-trained, though my first idea that it ought to be with a lart of enormous size might be too much for him to cope with.

guaranteed to move public opinion further away