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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

European Convention on Human Rights

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JellySaurus · 06/08/2025 23:13

ARTICLE 8 the right to respect for private and family life, and Article 12 the right to marry, are used as to justify the requirement for the UK government to legally recognise people as the opposite sex. (Redundant, now that same-sex marriage is legal.)

8.1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

But why is 8.2, which is not mentioned in Article 12 but appears in similar form in many other Articles, not used as an argument for removing the GRA from our law?

8.2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Enabling men to access female single-sex spaces has resulted in crimes: women and girls being assaulted and raped. Medical transition causes long-term ill-health. Telling children that they may not be the sex they are, or that they have to pretend that somebody is not the sex they are, is immoral as it subverts safeguarding. Multiple court cases have demonstrated that transgenderism illegally restricts the rights and freedoms of others.

Isn’t it time to recognise this?

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AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:48

spannasaurus · 09/08/2025 12:45

What if they have a gender recognition certificate, would you still ask what's trans about them?

You need to have medically transitioned to get a GRC.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:49

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:48

It's a sad how so many people have grown an irrational hatred of so few. This will pass, eventually.

Transsexuals peacefully existed for decades, and will again in the future. Especially when people realise how unworkable and damaging the EHRCs bathroom ban is.

Safeguarding is not hate.

Hth

spannasaurus · 09/08/2025 12:49

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:48

You need to have medically transitioned to get a GRC.

No you don't. No hormones or surgery are required for a GRC.

It's seems you are woefully ill-informed on trans matters

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:50

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:49

Safeguarding is not hate.

Hth

There's nothing safeguarding about irrational hatred

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:51

spannasaurus · 09/08/2025 12:49

No you don't. No hormones or surgery are required for a GRC.

It's seems you are woefully ill-informed on trans matters

I've literally got a GRC and have gone through the procedure, and yes, HRT is a requirement. Surgery isn't, but you do have to explain why you haven't had surgery yet.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 12:52

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:48

You need to have medically transitioned to get a GRC.

This was specifically ruled out as a requirement before the GRA was passed in 2004.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 12:53

You haven’t “medically transitioned” if you’ve just taken cross sex hormones, for one thing, and there is no explicit requirement for any medical treatment at all.

spannasaurus · 09/08/2025 12:54

No hormone treatment required for a GRC

European Convention on Human Rights
AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:57

Try getting a diagnosis of gender dysphoria without taking hormones. You won't get one.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 12:58

So clearing up that confusion @AYoungTransWomando you think men with GRCs who haven’t had any medical treatment should stay out of women’s spaces?

Greyskybluesky · 09/08/2025 12:58

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:48

It's a sad how so many people have grown an irrational hatred of so few. This will pass, eventually.

Transsexuals peacefully existed for decades, and will again in the future. Especially when people realise how unworkable and damaging the EHRCs bathroom ban is.

It's when transsexuals stopped "peacefully existing" that things became a problem. Women saw their services, spaces and rights being harmed and said no.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 13:00

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:50

There's nothing safeguarding about irrational hatred

Actually human rights are about protecting privacy and dignity and preventing harms.

That means women's human rights include the right to safeguard ourselves from males. It also includes having privacy and dignity from males.

If you think women's legal human rights' are 'hatred' then you really are showing yourself up.

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 13:02

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 13:00

Actually human rights are about protecting privacy and dignity and preventing harms.

That means women's human rights include the right to safeguard ourselves from males. It also includes having privacy and dignity from males.

If you think women's legal human rights' are 'hatred' then you really are showing yourself up.

Discriminating against a small group of women is not supporting women's rights, it's the opposite. Gender critical ideology is about upholding western beauty standards and biological essentialism. It's everything feminist stands against.

It's also why most large feminist orgs oppose gender criticals.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 13:03

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:51

I've literally got a GRC and have gone through the procedure, and yes, HRT is a requirement. Surgery isn't, but you do have to explain why you haven't had surgery yet.

If you think hormones are a requirement for a GRC you've been misinformed.

There was a ruling by the ECHR saying transitioning could not have a requirement for medicalisation.

Good to know you understand the existing rights the ECHR has said there are. This really makes you look like you know what the fuck you are talking about!! 😂

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 13:04

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 13:02

Discriminating against a small group of women is not supporting women's rights, it's the opposite. Gender critical ideology is about upholding western beauty standards and biological essentialism. It's everything feminist stands against.

It's also why most large feminist orgs oppose gender criticals.

But mate, you aren't a woman!!!

The supreme court says so for the basis of the equality act!!!

Myalternate · 09/08/2025 13:05

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:57

Try getting a diagnosis of gender dysphoria without taking hormones. You won't get one.

Isn’t that like putting the cart before the horse?
Why would someone be prescribed synthetic hormone treatment before diagnosis?

It’s definitely a crazy world when someone thinks they’ve magically changed sex.
They do need treatment but it’s not hormones.

Greyskybluesky · 09/08/2025 13:06

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 13:02

Discriminating against a small group of women is not supporting women's rights, it's the opposite. Gender critical ideology is about upholding western beauty standards and biological essentialism. It's everything feminist stands against.

It's also why most large feminist orgs oppose gender criticals.

Gender critical ideology is about upholding western beauty standards and biological essentialism.

Oh god, don't make me laugh. Do you think that women have to be white and western to be gender critical? Nice bit of prejudice from you there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 13:07

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 13:02

Discriminating against a small group of women is not supporting women's rights, it's the opposite. Gender critical ideology is about upholding western beauty standards and biological essentialism. It's everything feminist stands against.

It's also why most large feminist orgs oppose gender criticals.

”Trans women” are a small group of men, not women, and it isn’t discrimination to exclude them for things intended only for women, in the same way it isn’t discrimination to exclude other men. However much those men disagree, because women have human rights too.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 13:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 13:07

”Trans women” are a small group of men, not women, and it isn’t discrimination to exclude them for things intended only for women, in the same way it isn’t discrimination to exclude other men. However much those men disagree, because women have human rights too.

Males who don't like women having human rights really show themselves up to be males don't they?

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 13:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 13:07

”Trans women” are a small group of men, not women, and it isn’t discrimination to exclude them for things intended only for women, in the same way it isn’t discrimination to exclude other men. However much those men disagree, because women have human rights too.

Women's rights do not have any collision with trans rights. In fact, the two are very similar.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 13:11

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 13:11

Women's rights do not have any collision with trans rights. In fact, the two are very similar.

Women disagree. Strangely enough!

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 13:12

Greyskybluesky · 09/08/2025 13:06

Gender critical ideology is about upholding western beauty standards and biological essentialism.

Oh god, don't make me laugh. Do you think that women have to be white and western to be gender critical? Nice bit of prejudice from you there.

I mean your ideology disproportionately harms women of colour who don't confirm to Western standards of beauty.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 13:12

So does the supreme court.

Greyskybluesky · 09/08/2025 13:13

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 13:12

I mean your ideology disproportionately harms women of colour who don't confirm to Western standards of beauty.

Ha ha ha! I guess you read that on a trans forum somewhere and thought it sounded convincing.

You haven't thought that through at all.

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