European Convention on Human Rights

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ARTICLE 8 the right to respect for private and family life, and Article 12 the right to marry, are used as to justify the requirement for the UK government to legally recognise people as the opposite sex. (Redundant, now that same-sex marriage is legal.)

8.1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

But why is 8.2, which is not mentioned in Article 12 but appears in similar form in many other Articles, not used as an argument for removing the GRA from our law?

8.2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Enabling men to access female single-sex spaces has resulted in crimes: women and girls being assaulted and raped. Medical transition causes long-term ill-health. Telling children that they may not be the sex they are, or that they have to pretend that somebody is not the sex they are, is immoral as it subverts safeguarding. Multiple court cases have demonstrated that transgenderism illegally restricts the rights and freedoms of others.

Isn’t it time to recognise this?

So what is a trans person, @AYoungTransWoman ? If it is not clothing, what is it? Does it require hormones and surgery?

1. the plan is to encourage third spaces. We suggest you campaign for it
2. you aren't banned. You are choosing not to use them. There's a difference
3. mens problems are not for women to fix. If you have an issue with men take it up with the men. We are not here as second class citizens to your desires.
4. we don't want you in the women's because males in female spaces make them less safe for us.

It requires gender Dysphoria, which naturally leads to hormones

I am a woman, so I will not use men's spaces. You don't get to pick and choose which women deserve equal rights

You can't alter your biology! The fact you think you can is actually quite worrying. You've been sold a lie.

So you’re a “transmedicalist” then?

Ok.

We get the message.

You want to disrespect women.

Got it.

They are definitely something

Weirdly enough I've literally just walked into a taproom. Past the 'for everyone' toilet.

There is also a male and female one.

Banned my arse.

I literally have though, do you know what HRT actually does to trans people?

Yes.

It's not altering your biology.

Hey everyone a man has arrived to tell us all what hrt does.

This sums up the injustice of the misinformation young people like you, AYoungTransWoman, have been subjected to -

The truth is that you can take all the steps in the world from here to eternity and nothing will change your biology - no amount of hormones, no amount of surgery, hormones and surgery will just store up ongoing health issues for you.

Whoever has sold you the untruth that you can stop being a man and become a woman, via dangerous medical and surgical interventions, has done you a great disservice and denied you the kind of fact-based, non-harmful, support you needed for gender issues.

You deserved better. You deserve to have been told the important and incontrovertible fact that if you are born male, you will remain male, BUT you can be any kind of man you want, you don't have to fall into the gender stereotypes of what a man should be.

That's what 'Gender Critical' means - challenging the gender stereotypes that force young boys like you were into thinking they must be a woman because they don't feel like what society defines as A Man.

I grew up knowing that I could never be what society defines as A Woman, so I became my own kind of woman. Fortunately nobody ever suggested that if I refused to accept the stereotype of what a girl should be, I must be a boy, and thank heavens no one offered me hormones or surgery.

You weren't so lucky, and that's an indictment of the ideological rather than evidence and fact-based support that has been given recently to children who like us had difficulties with gender stereotypes and expectations.

Tall women, short women, lesbians, bisexual women, butch women, black women, Asian women, white women, athletic women, old women, young women etc etc can all use women's single sex spaces.

All men, including those that identity as women, can not.

Good points!

A trans person can tell people what HRT does to trans people. I'm not sure what about that you're taking issue with?

What about those “trans women” who don’t have any medical treatments? Should they use the men’s?

There could be no such thing as gender stereotypes and I'd still be trans. Being trans has nothing to do with feminity or masculinity.

I am trans because the primary sex characteristics I was born with, and the secondary sex characteristics I developed before I stopped my puberty make me uncomfortable, and feel like they do not belong attached to me.

Most of the time I'm wearing the most gender neutral clothing I can because its comfortable. I have never cared about masculinity or femininity, they're both bullshit.

Really?

BEHOLD!

Michael Foran is very reassuring on this point, particularly when he looks at the existing case law. Countries have a wider margin of appreciation in enacting gender recognition laws when the rights of others are affected. The Equality Act does a good job of balancing competing rights.

The Good Law Project need to be honest with their supporters about this, instead of making ridiculous, bombastic, misleading statements about what they've actually achieved (such as their claim that they have forced the EHRC to capitulate on the provision of single sex spaces 🙄). And the last time I heard Victoria McCloud speaking about this he was utterly incoherent. Saying he might be intersex and talking about reducing women to their biological functions and every other TRA trope you can imagine. These are not serious legal arguments.

What's trans about them?

They seem to think they’re “trans”, am I to understand that you don’t?

What if they have a gender recognition certificate, would you still ask what's trans about them?

The fact remains that nothing you can do can alter your sex.

'Being trans has nothing to do with femininity or masculinity' but by definition it has to do with being male or female, and attempting - unsuccessfully, because it is impossible - to change sex.

You can have all the hormones and all the surgery you can get, but you will never be, what you claim to be, a woman. Anybody telling you otherwise is misleading you.

After all the hormones and surgery you will still be a man, minus some body parts and plus some health issues. A different kind of man, but not a woman.

The difficult truth is that you are not now, and never will be a woman. You will never be legally entitled to use any single-sex facilities designated for women.

That's just the way it is. The facts are the facts - human sex is binary and immutable. That includes you, you are not an exception to the inability to change sex, and anybody who tells you that you can be something you're not is doing you a disservice.

It's a sad how so many people have grown an irrational hatred of so few. This will pass, eventually.

Transsexuals peacefully existed for decades, and will again in the future. Especially when people realise how unworkable and damaging the EHRCs bathroom ban is.