Reform gets confused by men in dresses

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Looks like we need a thread to discuss how Reform finds it difficult to work out the difference between men and women after recent developments. This is not surprising at all remember it was the Tories who were key playing is promoting this stuff in the first place. Trump was previously fine with trans stuff. Gender ideas are regressive and conservative so they will always have a place on the right, though the left are pushing it hard as well.

Nigel Farage will NOT pledge to ban trans inmates from women's jails
By CLAIRE ELLICOTT WHITEHALL EDITOR

Nigel Farage has failed to commit to banning trans women from female prisons after his new justice adviser said they should not be automatically barred.

Vanessa Frake, a former prison governor who oversaw the detention of Rose West, said decisions on where to house inmates should be made on an 'individual basis'.

Asked for his views on her comments yesterday, the Reform UK leader told the Daily Mail: 'I've personally never worked in a prison so I can't answer [the question] but I think you'll find that the answer that you'll get from somebody who has worked in prisons at the highest possible level is, I think, basically it's about risk assessment, isn't it?

'But in terms of the problems in prisons, it's a relatively small one.'

A Reform spokesman later added of Ms Frake: 'An ex-prison governor... has a different opinion. That does not constitute party policy.'

In an interview to mark her appointment, Ms Frake said decisions about trans prisoners should be made on a case-by-case basis. But she told The Times that sexual offenders may need to be held in male prisons.

'It's all about the risk assessments for me, and each has to be done on an individual basis,' she said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14970333/Nigel-Farage-NOT-pledge-ban-trans-inmates-womens-jails.html

Some sense from Joan Smith

Even Reform UK is falling prey to gender ideology Joan Smith
https://archive.ph/pIjQj

Even Reform UK, which has tried to position itself as a refuge for voters who are fed up with the trans-obsessed rhetoric of other parties, can’t keep its recruits on-message. A former prison governor, Vanessa Frake, had barely been announced as the party’s new justice advisor when she <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/pIjQj/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/04/reform-prison-tsar-vanessa-frake-trans-women-female-jails/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">declared that trans women should not be barred from women’s prisons. Her argument, which is unusual to say the least, seems to be that some female prisoners are horrible people, so it makes no sense to exclude trans-identified males.

Rupert Lowe MP

What a remarkable clip - I passionately disagree with Reform and Widdecombe.

I don't care if a man has gone through the 'whole works', he is NOT a woman. No amount of drugs/surgery changes that. He is a MAN.

No man should be allowed into women's prisons, spaces or sports. Ever.

Quite an opportunity they've been handed there.

I don’t think they are forward thinking so much as free thinking. They are people prepared to say and think and experiment freely, regardless of what everyone else thinks or has indeed already carefully worked through to an ethical conclusion.

It’s a useful category of people, imo, because we should be free to rethink the basis of our assumptions. Some are brilliant. Others are the pub bore.
But we wouldn’t want them in charge of anything because as individuals they can go back to ideas that are basically things like eugenics and racism.

I can’t say I’ve seen much ‘freethinking’ in its usual sense - many the Reform bunch growing out of Brexit have their own dogmas and don’t seem to particularly apply rationalism, scientific evidence etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought

@ErrolTheDragon I hadn’t seen that defined before! Ok, by that definition they think they are free thinking- they’ve done the first bit, not the second. They replace the second with ‘and should instead be reached by other methods like asking them their opinion’.

A freethinker holds that beliefs should not be formed on the basis of authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma,[2]

and should instead be reached by other methods such as logic, reason, and empirical observation.[citation needed]

This was an easy win for these fuckwits as it’s not like they were about to get the trans vote anyway. IDIOTS. No one anywhere near power has a fucking clue do they.

’Risk assessment’??? How about privacy dignity and rights of women, what about those?

I think some see genital surgery as some sort of commitment to the cause or even a man maybe safer to be around. It doesn’t turn a man into a woman but also it sometimes shocks me about the whole - ‘you can come in if you are willing to castrate yourself’ suggestion. Decisions shouldn’t be made on such conditions.

This would include that bloke who castrated himself in prison.

Disturbed males who want to mutilate their own genitals are not women.

I think as soon as it was a possibility that reform could get MPs, they were lobbied by TRA.

Also, it would shock no one if a trans identifying man was working in head office.

Farage is an opportunist who loves being on the outside of a tent pissing in, but when you look for evidence for what he actually does and how interested he actually is in achieving outcomes things fall apart pretty quickly.

Look at all his posturing about U.K. fisherman during Brexit, for example. You’d never know he had a seat on the EU fisheries committee for YEARS and never bothered even turning up to meetings to fight the UK’s corner, but as soon as he saw a PR advantage to himself for talking up UK fishing he was all over it.

Rats in a sack.

The Scottish wing of Reform is having none of it:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/7d091ea7-ad8f-48db-9417-752389dc553e?shareToken=b05586d16d99dc7a9829c09505a16faa

Scottish Reform can fuck off they're brand of politics is not welcome in Scotland.
Women only in women's prisons
Bloke in a dress male prison.
That shouldn't have ever been up for debate.

Reform appeal to socially conservative voters who support highly gendered ideas. It has been well documented how people who welcome traditional gendered roles, also believe that males who dress as women or undergo any kind of conversion must be very, very sick. To them, it is incomprehensibly humiliating for a man to give up his manhood. As a result these men need handling with kid gloves. What does it matter if women get upset? Nothing can compensate these poor men for what they’ve sacrificed!