Reform gets confused by men in dresses

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Looks like we need a thread to discuss how Reform finds it difficult to work out the difference between men and women after recent developments. This is not surprising at all remember it was the Tories who were key playing is promoting this stuff in the first place. Trump was previously fine with trans stuff. Gender ideas are regressive and conservative so they will always have a place on the right, though the left are pushing it hard as well.

Nigel Farage will NOT pledge to ban trans inmates from women's jails
By CLAIRE ELLICOTT WHITEHALL EDITOR

Nigel Farage has failed to commit to banning trans women from female prisons after his new justice adviser said they should not be automatically barred.

Vanessa Frake, a former prison governor who oversaw the detention of Rose West, said decisions on where to house inmates should be made on an 'individual basis'.

Asked for his views on her comments yesterday, the Reform UK leader told the Daily Mail: 'I've personally never worked in a prison so I can't answer [the question] but I think you'll find that the answer that you'll get from somebody who has worked in prisons at the highest possible level is, I think, basically it's about risk assessment, isn't it?

'But in terms of the problems in prisons, it's a relatively small one.'

A Reform spokesman later added of Ms Frake: 'An ex-prison governor... has a different opinion. That does not constitute party policy.'

In an interview to mark her appointment, Ms Frake said decisions about trans prisoners should be made on a case-by-case basis. But she told The Times that sexual offenders may need to be held in male prisons.

'It's all about the risk assessments for me, and each has to be done on an individual basis,' she said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14970333/Nigel-Farage-NOT-pledge-ban-trans-inmates-womens-jails.html

Some sense from Joan Smith

Even Reform UK is falling prey to gender ideology Joan Smith
https://archive.ph/pIjQj

Even Reform UK, which has tried to position itself as a refuge for voters who are fed up with the trans-obsessed rhetoric of other parties, can’t keep its recruits on-message. A former prison governor, Vanessa Frake, had barely been announced as the party’s new justice advisor when she <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/pIjQj/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/04/reform-prison-tsar-vanessa-frake-trans-women-female-jails/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">declared that trans women should not be barred from women’s prisons. Her argument, which is unusual to say the least, seems to be that some female prisoners are horrible people, so it makes no sense to exclude trans-identified males.

What's so exasperating about this is that Reform doesn't need to formulate a policy or to work out what will most please their supporters - they just need to follow the law. That's all any of the parties need to do. It's really simple. They just need to acknowledge that the Supreme Court has made a ruling and they will adhere to it.

What Reform need are a loaf of contentious media baiting topics they can wade into and muddy so as to maintain the impression they are the second coming for the next 3-4 years.

All else is froth.

Reform is very male.......and the mono-focus on individual freedoms seems to take priority over every other concern. They see the trans issue through the lens of individual freedom and rights.

That would be far too pragmatic for a movement which is predicated on making populist statements. Farage has never really engaged withn the issue of women's rights.

True - but in this case what's popular and what's right are in alignment. Saying he'll stick to the Supreme Court judgement - especially when backbench Labour MPs are making utter twats of themselves - would go down well with the very people he wants to win over.

Reform is very male.

I believe there are moves afoot to counter that perception. If the past few weeks are anything to go by 😎

Farage probably thinks that simply having a female candidate is enough, If she says it's fine, then it must be fine.

Maybe, but if Vanessa Frake is the response..........

I read Frake's autobiography a couple of years ago (some sort of Kindle Unlimited deal which came up as a suggestion after reading a couple of true crime things).

She came across as rather an odd fish, ISTR.

I do anticipate backtracking - I doubt NF gives a hoot about women, in jail or anywhere else, but I'm sure he's smart enough to know this won't appeal to his target demographic.

Well, apart from IW, if he's anticipating doing a stretch...

To be fair, the trans issue is all about individual freedoms and rights. This is why I find it incomprehensible that most of the left, which is normally about doing what is good for society and community, has fallen for it so completely. Only the communists have seen through it as something which has a negative impact on society.

Edited to add that I find it interesting that the TRAs call us 'far right', when we have much more in common with the far left. But 'far left' or 'communist' obviously isn't insulting enough.

Do love Kemi when she's on her turf:

https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1952628898044285089

I was referring more to the flood of "We are just waiting for the second coming of Farage" threads that have taken over MN since the start of the summer holidays. Presumably a load of bots that have been told by bigger bots that posting on a parenting forum automatically makes you a woman.

Reform candidates and voters represent a real rag-tag collection of single issue voters, odd bods and misfits of one sort or another. How on earth they can all be corralled into one big tent is anyone's guess. I imagine Farage imagines that most of his voters will prioritise immigration and Brexit type issues above everything else.

Where are these threads located. Can you link one?

Why do women in positions of power use their influence against other women?

Especially the most vulnerable?

Ive heard that Farage needs a wider base to get the support needed to form a government.

I think hes appealing to an imaginary middle voterwho wouldn't vote for him normally, but see a progressive policy and be swayed. He's appointed people who go against what a lot of people would imagine a typical reform voter would want.

I dont know about the other issues, but regarding men in womens prisions, it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the 'middle voter' and safeguarding

. Its extreme to want men in women prisions, even the often used trope of 30 years living as a women, ones.

It also shows that he hasn't an opinion on a lot of issues that have been talking points for the public for a long time.

I dont think he's as forward thinking or the natural leader many assume. He's often seems to need a long time to understand, and its only because the main parties stubbornly refused to see the problem with immigrant that he looked on top of the issue.

If he does get to power, i predict a lot of people are going to be disappointed.

Are you talking about other boards on MN? I've never seen such a thing here.

Yes, the thing about the 'men in women's prisons on a case by case basis' suggests he's given no real thought to the issue at all...and like many other men see it as a non issue...but it also, worryingly, suggests that he might well extend that type of thinking or assumption to other types of single sex space too.

And yes, if Reform should win it is going to be an even bigger mess than it is now with Starmer - in terms of delivery on manifesto commitments. He'll be like Trump.....will immediately issue a lot of 'bans' on certain types of things to make it look like he means business....but fail to achieve anything significant in the long run.

Like Starmer before him his main job is to get Reform elected and he'll say whatever he thinks he needs to say to do so...but once in power we'll find he doesn't actually really stand for anything much at all......except his freedom to smoke cigarettes in the pub and say provocative things about migrants.

If you can't find them, then my hypothesis may be faulty ....

Ive heard that Farage needs a wider base to get the support needed to form a government.

Especially in a FPTP system, the electoral maths means that to get anywhere near power, Reform needs people to vote for it that (for example) are committed EU rejoiners. And these people hate Farage. There are other oxymorons too. A word that seems so appropriate when talking about Reforms policy panderings.

😂 Like, er, whole countries? Government departments? Has he even learned how to be a constituency MP yet?

Women in prison are compelled to accept men claiming to be women in their cells, showers etc. They will be punished for "transphobia" if they voice any complaint. That's because transactivists captured the Ministry of Justice, the Home Office and the Prison Service years ago.
So the ex prison governor won't have heard any complaints from women locked up. They'd be punished for doing so.

All part of the silencing of women to accepting voyeurism and indecent exposure without complaint.

Every party has to appeal to a wide base, and therefore gives contradictory messsges.

But if people are voting for Forage and expect change, the let down is going to be greater than whats happened over the last few years.

The torries let the electorate down and they were voted out. No one really believed labour would do anything, and didnt get a good victory, therefore the anger isnt there. More that everyone knew Starmer was going to be bad, but not this bad.

The expectation is high for reform. And i dont think they even want to deliver.

Reform candidate Andrew Southall has posted the following on Twitter.

'There’s been some confusion about Reform UK’s stance following today’s press conference. Let me be crystal clear: Reform UK does NOT support putting biological men in women’s prisons. Vanessa Frake is an adviser, not a policy maker. Reform will always put women’s safety first; no ifs, no buts. The left want to twist this because they know we’re gaining ground. They want to make Reform look weak on the one issue we’ve never budged on: reality. Well here’s reality: Women’s spaces must be protected. Sex-based rights matter. And no man, no matter how he identifies, belongs in a women’s prison if there’s any risk to safety. '

Note the final sentence: 'And no man, no matter how he identifies, belongs in a women’s prison if there’s any risk to safety.'

So while appearing to say they won't allow men in women's prisons, they are still saying they only won't allow men in women's prisons 'if there's any risk to safety'

Clowns.

Thats the problem with all small parties, especially change ones. They just dont have to people to parade around who have had experience.

So hes using people like frake who have experience. But shes part of the establishment who fucked it up in the first place.