M&S apologises over trans employee in bra department (Telegraph)

[WimbledonWhites]

How many “cis” male members of staff do you suppose would approach teenage girls in the lingerie department?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/04/ms-apologises-over-trans-employee-in-bra-department/

https://archive.ph/nTDB9archive.ph/nTDB9

I should imagine they will just say trans women ARE women, because they said so/imagine themselves to have lady feelz/take hormones/wear a frock.

I'm seeing a lot less of this dumb phrase now - thankfully

There is one in ours too. He’s a creep and I won’t use the shop anymore. Unless it’s the same one. Are you in the Midlands?

Well, yes, that's usually the case if they answer at all, but it's just not going to cut it anymore because everyone knows that's not the case, even the people using that very argument know that they aren't women in any meaningful way.

So, just once, I'd like a proper explanation of what the difference is, bearing in mind transwomen are just as (probably even more, according to some stats) likely to be sex offenders as other men.

It's very frustrating that they'll call us meanies and bigots, but never just answer the damn question.

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Wrong, twas the one prior to that.
Nothing further to add.
Get on with your day now

"To the employee - read the room dude! How does this make you feel a woman?"

I suspect that it is another aspect of that person's 'needs' that are being fulfilled by this interaction. That of being able to either have power over a person that they feel that they cannot complain because as some posters have tried to state, the man is 'just being themselves'. But part of that is a feeling of power that others affirm this impossible belief. And the other half of that 'need', to claim to be a victim if the person who they are interacting with fails to do this affirmation task appropriately.

In this way, it is nothing to be with them feeling 'like a woman'. It has everything to do with power over female people.

Im pretty sure trans rights are an equality right that takes precedence these days though.

Best case scenario women will just boycott m&s enough that there profits will force them to change due to budgeting without offending staff members who could potentially sue for unfair dismissal ect.

Not if it’s a single sex issue
Sex = biological fact

They don’t have an upper hand

Talking of Nottingham, there was this man, who liked to wander around House of Fraser and expose himself

https://x.com/sharrond62/status/1614984970086277121

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/nottingham-victoria-centre-issues-statement-8023484?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Gross

I think pp said that was in Nottingham so I think that makes 8 or 9 reported men working in M&S ladies clothing (if yours is in a different location).

M&S have 895 clothing stores in the UK.

Sorry. 895 in England

And a refusal to use sexed pronouns in the report or say "man" or "woman". GEE I WONDER WHY...

Fuck's sake. Come back, Robin Hood. Your homeland needs you.

On this topic, their cups moved closer together at some point in the last 15 years or so.

I have bras of their old 34 where cup spacing is fine for me, but matches more or less their current 36 spacing. Their current 34 spacing about 2 inches less. No, the spacing hasn’t stretched , it’s pretty fixed even if the rest of the band has gone a bit floppy!

It definitely changed in a way I didn’t find happening with other makes.

Unfortunately there's plenty of Labour MPs still saying it

Labour have always been pathetic on this front
They'll need to read the SC ruling.

Has Starmer taken back his comment that women can have penises yet. Or does he think we’ve all forgotten 🤣🤣🤣

I believe there are 247 full line stores across the UK. The 895 number for England includes food halls, petrol stations etc.

Yup.

@MadForDogsnottingham. Wears a ginger wig.

Stupid, weak, mealy mouthed, sorry excuse of a man. He's no leader.

I completely agree, but men have never been banned from lingerie sections because, ya know, women's comfort and dignity doesn't matter.

If there's a man in the lingerie section I make sure I'm never in their eyeline so they can't see what I've picked out. I'd have hated seeing a man sitting there too. Inside the entrance! I'm sure there were other places in the store he could have waited. 😡

I think lingerie sections should be women-only.

In the good old days, aged 17 I worked in M&S lingerie department. The department was entirely biological women.

Occasionally a male staff member would have to enter the area terrified (returns etc.) but certainly didn't approach lingerie customers.

There were some right pervs, along with many more hapless husbands gift shopping.

The changing room was strictly women only. We would point out that there were teens getting first bra fittings to any men wanting to enter.

Oh wow, that’s way worse than I thought!

So at least 9 out of 247 stores employ men who claim to be women just from reports on this thread.

I have no interest in shopping with them again.

This one?

That was quite the eloquent and considered response.