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Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 01:53

You can't change the sex you were assigned at birth even if you have gender reassignment surgery your DNA will not change. You also cannot change your sexuality. However you can change your gender. You may feel you are for example female but you were assigned male at birth. If you feel female you can be straight and are attracted to men or gay and are attracted to women. I know not everyone will agree with this but this is purely my opinion.

TheKeatingFive · 04/08/2025 04:03

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 01:53

You can't change the sex you were assigned at birth even if you have gender reassignment surgery your DNA will not change. You also cannot change your sexuality. However you can change your gender. You may feel you are for example female but you were assigned male at birth. If you feel female you can be straight and are attracted to men or gay and are attracted to women. I know not everyone will agree with this but this is purely my opinion.

What does changing your gender mean? What does it entail?

Annoyedone · 04/08/2025 05:46

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 01:53

You can't change the sex you were assigned at birth even if you have gender reassignment surgery your DNA will not change. You also cannot change your sexuality. However you can change your gender. You may feel you are for example female but you were assigned male at birth. If you feel female you can be straight and are attracted to men or gay and are attracted to women. I know not everyone will agree with this but this is purely my opinion.

Si are you saying sex is different from gender? That’s good. Then we can have mixed gender single sex spaces no?

JellySaurus · 04/08/2025 07:00

Sexually and gender are completely separate. Changing the way you present, the way you think about yourself, the way you want others to think about you, do not change the name of your sexuality, any more than they change the name of your sex.

A heterosexual man who wants to be a woman remains heterosexual, just as he remains a man. He does not get to appropriate 'woman' and he does not get to appropriate 'lesbian'.

Annoyedone · 04/08/2025 07:26

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 01:53

You can't change the sex you were assigned at birth even if you have gender reassignment surgery your DNA will not change. You also cannot change your sexuality. However you can change your gender. You may feel you are for example female but you were assigned male at birth. If you feel female you can be straight and are attracted to men or gay and are attracted to women. I know not everyone will agree with this but this is purely my opinion.

How does a male know he “feels female”? Who assigns these sexes at birth? Are sonographers lying when they tell people the sex of the baby at scans?

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:21

TheKeatingFive · 04/08/2025 04:03

What does changing your gender mean? What does it entail?

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Changing gender happens when you don't feel inside the sex you were assigned on the outside. For a lot of people that means they dress and act in the gender that makes them feel more comfortable and more like themselves. Some people take hormones to help their bodies reflect the gender they feel, others don't. Some people don't feel particularly male or female, known as non binary and their dress style is androgynous. Some people go further and have surgery to better reflect their chosen gender and have official documents to reflect those changes eg, gender recognition certificates, passports, medical records, driving licence etc. It is a long a arduous journey. I'm grateful that I'm a cis female (born female and feel female).

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2025 12:27

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:21

Changing gender happens when you don't feel inside the sex you were assigned on the outside. For a lot of people that means they dress and act in the gender that makes them feel more comfortable and more like themselves. Some people take hormones to help their bodies reflect the gender they feel, others don't. Some people don't feel particularly male or female, known as non binary and their dress style is androgynous. Some people go further and have surgery to better reflect their chosen gender and have official documents to reflect those changes eg, gender recognition certificates, passports, medical records, driving licence etc. It is a long a arduous journey. I'm grateful that I'm a cis female (born female and feel female).

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You mean they adopt sexist attitude and potentially mutilate themselves with not only the blessing but the cheering on of others. All at the tax payers expense whilst promising a utopia that can't be achieved.

When they'd have been better with therapy and society ditching gender stereotypes.

Good oh.

(Nice drive by scolding).

Greyskybluesky · 04/08/2025 12:29

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:21

Changing gender happens when you don't feel inside the sex you were assigned on the outside. For a lot of people that means they dress and act in the gender that makes them feel more comfortable and more like themselves. Some people take hormones to help their bodies reflect the gender they feel, others don't. Some people don't feel particularly male or female, known as non binary and their dress style is androgynous. Some people go further and have surgery to better reflect their chosen gender and have official documents to reflect those changes eg, gender recognition certificates, passports, medical records, driving licence etc. It is a long a arduous journey. I'm grateful that I'm a cis female (born female and feel female).

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How do people "feel female"?

How does "gender" match biological sex?

borntobequiet · 04/08/2025 12:31

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:21

Changing gender happens when you don't feel inside the sex you were assigned on the outside. For a lot of people that means they dress and act in the gender that makes them feel more comfortable and more like themselves. Some people take hormones to help their bodies reflect the gender they feel, others don't. Some people don't feel particularly male or female, known as non binary and their dress style is androgynous. Some people go further and have surgery to better reflect their chosen gender and have official documents to reflect those changes eg, gender recognition certificates, passports, medical records, driving licence etc. It is a long a arduous journey. I'm grateful that I'm a cis female (born female and feel female).

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You have clearly thought long and hard about this and are extremely knowledgeable. We are grateful for your input, regardless of the fact that it is all nonsense.

Greyskybluesky · 04/08/2025 12:31

Annoyedone · 04/08/2025 07:26

How does a male know he “feels female”? Who assigns these sexes at birth? Are sonographers lying when they tell people the sex of the baby at scans?

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Good questions.
Why have there been no court cases to date of transpeople suing the assigners of the "wrong" sex? Or the sonographers?
Can we expect to see these court cases in the future?

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:34

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2025 12:27

You mean they adopt sexist attitude and potentially mutilate themselves with not only the blessing but the cheering on of others. All at the tax payers expense whilst promising a utopia that can't be achieved.

When they'd have been better with therapy and society ditching gender stereotypes.

Good oh.

(Nice drive by scolding).

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There's no utopia, no sexist attitudes. Noone does this unless they really have to and the vast majority pay for it themselves. I don't think you should judge, you might feel different if this was a member of your family or friends going through this. Just be grateful its not you.

TheKeatingFive · 04/08/2025 12:35

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:21

Changing gender happens when you don't feel inside the sex you were assigned on the outside. For a lot of people that means they dress and act in the gender that makes them feel more comfortable and more like themselves. Some people take hormones to help their bodies reflect the gender they feel, others don't. Some people don't feel particularly male or female, known as non binary and their dress style is androgynous. Some people go further and have surgery to better reflect their chosen gender and have official documents to reflect those changes eg, gender recognition certificates, passports, medical records, driving licence etc. It is a long a arduous journey. I'm grateful that I'm a cis female (born female and feel female).

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For a lot of people that means they dress and act in the gender that makes them feel more comfortable and more like themselves

How does one act and dress female?

Some people take hormones to help their bodies reflect the gender they feel, others don't

How does one 'feel' a gender?

Some people go further and have surgery to better reflect their chosen gender

If gender is about clothes and his you act, why is surgery relevant?

and have official documents to reflect those changes eg, gender recognition certificates, passports, medical records, driving licence etc

So falsifying legal documents then? Why on earth should that be allowed?

Greyskybluesky · 04/08/2025 12:36

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:34

There's no utopia, no sexist attitudes. Noone does this unless they really have to and the vast majority pay for it themselves. I don't think you should judge, you might feel different if this was a member of your family or friends going through this. Just be grateful its not you.

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Are you new to this board? There are lots of posters on here with family and friends going through this. An ignorant assumption on your part.

TheKeatingFive · 04/08/2025 12:39

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:34

There's no utopia, no sexist attitudes. Noone does this unless they really have to and the vast majority pay for it themselves. I don't think you should judge, you might feel different if this was a member of your family or friends going through this. Just be grateful its not you.

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A member of my family did do this.

She took testosterone as part of her 'transitioning'. She has since detransitioned and the testosterone has created significant health problems for her, which continue, though she has stopped taking it. The doctors cannot seem to tell her how long these problems will continue. It maybe that they are permanent.

NHSFifeStatementFinalFINALFinalVersionV9FINAL · 04/08/2025 12:40

You know what sex you are by looking at your body.
If you think you are a different sex you are either hallucinating, or you feel it is not your body that determines your sex, it's something else. What is that something?

It usually boils down to what things you like doing or what sort of person you are, because you wrongly think that there is an alignment between sex and those things.

I would love to know an example of any way that a man differs from a woman using anything other than the sex of the body.

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:41

Greyskybluesky · 04/08/2025 12:29

How do people "feel female"?

How does "gender" match biological sex?

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Most of the time biological sex matches gender, this is called cis. But sometimes it doesn't. I am female, in myself I feel female. I feel feminine. I like to wear female clothing, make up, do my hair etc. I'm interested in generally most things others females are interested in. I'm attracted to males, liked the thought of having babies etc. Sometimes men, people assigned make at birth, feel the same way I do. That's when gender does not match biological sex.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/08/2025 12:43

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:21

Changing gender happens when you don't feel inside the sex you were assigned on the outside. For a lot of people that means they dress and act in the gender that makes them feel more comfortable and more like themselves. Some people take hormones to help their bodies reflect the gender they feel, others don't. Some people don't feel particularly male or female, known as non binary and their dress style is androgynous. Some people go further and have surgery to better reflect their chosen gender and have official documents to reflect those changes eg, gender recognition certificates, passports, medical records, driving licence etc. It is a long a arduous journey. I'm grateful that I'm a cis female (born female and feel female).

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There’s no such thing as a “cis female”. All women are female, and no men are, including those men who identify as women.

TheKeatingFive · 04/08/2025 12:43

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:41

Most of the time biological sex matches gender, this is called cis. But sometimes it doesn't. I am female, in myself I feel female. I feel feminine. I like to wear female clothing, make up, do my hair etc. I'm interested in generally most things others females are interested in. I'm attracted to males, liked the thought of having babies etc. Sometimes men, people assigned make at birth, feel the same way I do. That's when gender does not match biological sex.

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So if I'm female, but I wear trousers, have a manual job, keep my hair short, don't wear makeup. That means I'm actually trans, yes?

Annoyedone · 04/08/2025 12:44

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:41

Most of the time biological sex matches gender, this is called cis. But sometimes it doesn't. I am female, in myself I feel female. I feel feminine. I like to wear female clothing, make up, do my hair etc. I'm interested in generally most things others females are interested in. I'm attracted to males, liked the thought of having babies etc. Sometimes men, people assigned make at birth, feel the same way I do. That's when gender does not match biological sex.

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Ewwwww so you’re saying that you can only feel female if you conform to gender stereotypes that are sexist and misogynistic that is so cringe.

Greyskybluesky · 04/08/2025 12:45

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:41

Most of the time biological sex matches gender, this is called cis. But sometimes it doesn't. I am female, in myself I feel female. I feel feminine. I like to wear female clothing, make up, do my hair etc. I'm interested in generally most things others females are interested in. I'm attracted to males, liked the thought of having babies etc. Sometimes men, people assigned make at birth, feel the same way I do. That's when gender does not match biological sex.

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Where are the criteria for gender defined, please?
What are the things that generally most other females are interested in?
If I'm not interested in them, am I not female?

Annoyedone · 04/08/2025 12:45

And are you saying that if you don’t like those things you’re not a female??? Really?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/08/2025 12:46

“Gender” is an externally imposed social construct. Based on stereotypes and expectations around the two sexes.

Greyskybluesky · 04/08/2025 12:48

@Mackerelfillets In societies where women do not wear makeup or "do their hair" or wear "female clothing" (by western standards, I assume you mean) are they not female?

Think it through.

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2025 12:49

Mackerelfillets · 04/08/2025 12:34

There's no utopia, no sexist attitudes. Noone does this unless they really have to and the vast majority pay for it themselves. I don't think you should judge, you might feel different if this was a member of your family or friends going through this. Just be grateful its not you.

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About that... 😂

Can you think for yourself or do you just make assumptions and believe everything every one else tells you?

Try it sometime rather than reading from The Script which is full of a bunch of myths and utter nonsense.

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2025 12:50

Nice to see ignorance and prejudice is alive and well.

Amongst the dipsticks who perform allyship and purity.