NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #47

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025

Has anyone collected a compendium of Sad Times quotes?

I've got:

Sad Times
You can’t prove it
I’m kind
I’m a doctor - I’m honest
If only everyone was kind
We didn’t think he was leading us up the garden path
It’s on my birth certificate
You went for the 6th best option
Any sperm would be in a dead end with no eggs to fertilise

Paraphrasing in some as I can't be bothered to trawl through TT for the exact wording.
I'm sure there were other good ones but my mind is mush now.

Exactly. I'm not about to trawl the internet for disaster memes but I'm highly doubtful that any disaster/celebrity death has been exempt from memes. A quick Google would probably throw up plenty.
Everything is fair game online and why would any one particular disaster be exempt.
The poster claiming this is just ridiculous.

Are they 7/7 ones racist memes about the victims?

Which is why they aren't any better in that regard. And it seems crazy to me that advocating for men to undress with non consenting women is what apparently redeems them.

ham sandwich and an irn bru

To do that it would have to be SAS. The o stands for oriental. I think it is a pretence and performative that they have dropped the oriental.

There used to be a pop band called Cornershop. They were from Leicester. Their big hit was 'Brimful of Asha'

“I can’t recall”

My post wasn't to you?

Glad to get back to normal life after this! So much garden/house/other day to day stuff neglected.

I'm going to start reading a big book to recover.

Again, how would anyone know what their nurses, bosses, bank managers etc say in their private chats with friends, and why should they know?

Found it weird NC using my alive/dead binary examples today. Of course someone else may have come up with it separately but if not and she or SM are a lurker on here or elsewhere grateful for a PM and say £100. Am skint,.seems reasonable. Ta.

It was to a reply about my post though buddy. You canny have it all ways

"I'm not an expert"

"I was charging my phone"

Frankly if people are making me and my loved ones better, I wouldn't be thinking about what they do in their spare time.

Unless they were Upton, lying to me when I'd requested female provision, which would only be if it were for particular things. He can have a crack at my allergies, concussion or broken limbs any day.

This made me think of all my pious, progressive male colleagues who were somehow still insidiously patronising and superior; compared to my late partner, who was never caught uttering a feminist sentiment out loud in his life, and yet supported me, did 50%+ of the housework and steadfastly encouraged me to pursue my goals and dreams.

Gina likes a drink

Have what all ways?

I suppose that that's what you get with corners...

I recall that - for some reason - I was referring to the shop on the corner of the tenement block opposite our flat. It was owned by the same elderly [white] lady for years.

ham sandwich and an irn bru
That needs "I was charging my phone" adding on to it.

Who, me?

Wonder if the rest of the NHS (with their hundreds of thousands of employees) is any different?

The 1984 question at the end was very odd. And for anyone who's read the book, there are a few lines from it that seem appropriate for the whole TWAW thing:

‘Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.’

'If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.'

'Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.'

What a disgusting ideology this is, and how sad that even the lovely funny supportive atmosphere on these threads has been soured as a direct result of one man trying to impose his world view on an unwilling woman.