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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Biological sex is a multidimensional variable with various components" - Thread 2

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/07/2025 18:33

The last thread ended with Tandora attempting to sidestep the question about what she would say if her daughter had been raped by a trans woman in a female only space and no longer believed that trans women should be in female only spaces as a consequence.

Her last reply was along the lines of, "The same thing I would say if she had been bullied by a green person at school and said she no longer wanted to go to school with green people."

@Tandora can we have a serious answer?

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 09:41

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:28

No this demonstrates nothing but prejudice and a total lack of understanding of what it is to be trans.

Define it then for us please, in a way that you could actually include in the statue books. Let's have a comprehensive and exhaustive definition of a trans person which captures the spirit of "what it means to be trans", includes all trans people and excludes all others.

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Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:43

if all you’ve got left is to pick apart my typos I think that is very telling.

Obviously SP was suspended, bright the lawsuit. Then there were disciplinary proceedings clearing her of gross misconduct but recommending a structured reflections session.

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:45

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 09:41

Define it then for us please, in a way that you could actually include in the statue books. Let's have a comprehensive and exhaustive definition of a trans person which captures the spirit of "what it means to be trans", includes all trans people and excludes all others.

You have been on multiple threads where I have set this out in clear and thoughtful detail.

Extravirginolive · 25/07/2025 09:46

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:25

There was a pattern of behaviour where SP was making it obvious that she held DU in contempt. DU felt intimidated and harassed, so she took notes on those behaviours.

On the particular night in question, SP waited until DU had come out of the bathroom cubicle and other people had left to confront her- around midnight. Do you think she would have done that if she were genuinely intimidated?

If she were covered in menstrual blood, surely the first course of action would have been to enter the free and available private toilet cubicle and clean herself up down there. Not wait around covered in blood to confront a person she allegedly was scared of.

She planned to confront DU - she explicitly stated her intention to do so.

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How do people become this nasty and still think they are the ones without prejudice?

It's really stark. Making up details like this is sick.

Igneococcus · 25/07/2025 09:46

You have been on multiple threads where I have set this out in clear and thoughtful detail.

Can you C&P your "clear and thoughtful detail" here?

WarrenTofficier · 25/07/2025 09:47

As Sandie only worked nights she could only 'confront' the Dr at night.

Do you honestly think that a nurse of 30 years unblemished record spent the hell on earth that is a Christmas Eve night shift hanging around out side the change room in order to confront someone? She was a little busy nursing to do that.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 09:47

Igneococcus · 25/07/2025 09:46

You have been on multiple threads where I have set this out in clear and thoughtful detail.

Can you C&P your "clear and thoughtful detail" here?

Is the clear and thoughtful detail in the room with us now?

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 09:48

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:45

You have been on multiple threads where I have set this out in clear and thoughtful detail.

I do not think so, but feel free to link us to the post where you defined it and prove me wrong.

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Igneococcus · 25/07/2025 09:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 09:47

Is the clear and thoughtful detail in the room with us now?

I don't now Miss Scarlet, maybe we could get the sniffer dogs out to find it.

DialSquare · 25/07/2025 09:50

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 09:47

Is the clear and thoughtful detail in the room with us now?

It’s sitting with the “Tandora wiping the floor with us all’ notion.

Igneococcus · 25/07/2025 09:51

DialSquare · 25/07/2025 09:50

It’s sitting with the “Tandora wiping the floor with us all’ notion.

OOoh, how is that turning out for you?

BackToLurk · 25/07/2025 09:54

@Tandora It's not about picking apart typos. This post

They suspended DU and look what has happened to them.
The political, legal and policy context in the UK at the moment is exceptionally hostile to trans people.

makes no sense if you were to accept that 'DU' here is a typo. It's apparent that you come to the case with a preconceived notion of what happened and are happy to misrepresent the facts to support your position.

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:54

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 09:48

I do not think so, but feel free to link us to the post where you defined it and prove me wrong.

You are very welcome to revisit them yourself, your search function is just as good as mine.

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:54

BackToLurk · 25/07/2025 09:54

@Tandora It's not about picking apart typos. This post

They suspended DU and look what has happened to them.
The political, legal and policy context in the UK at the moment is exceptionally hostile to trans people.

makes no sense if you were to accept that 'DU' here is a typo. It's apparent that you come to the case with a preconceived notion of what happened and are happy to misrepresent the facts to support your position.

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They suspended SP and look what has happened to them (them being NHS Fife)

DialSquare · 25/07/2025 09:55

Igneococcus · 25/07/2025 09:51

OOoh, how is that turning out for you?

It wasn’t me that said it! It was posted by Suggestionsplease on the previous thread.

BackToLurk · 25/07/2025 09:58

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:54

They suspended SP and look what has happened to them (them being NHS Fife)

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OK.

Now, on that thing about 'transness' that reduces threat

Igneococcus · 25/07/2025 09:59

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:54

You are very welcome to revisit them yourself, your search function is just as good as mine.

So you can't find them either.
Which of your contributions to these threads do you think are clear and thoughtful? None of us (other than suggestion and one or two never heard seen before posters) think you have provided clear and thoughtful detail, so which ones of your posts do you think fall into this category?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 10:00

Igneococcus · 25/07/2025 09:51

OOoh, how is that turning out for you?

Well I was hoping it would at least get rid of the crumbs from my children's breakfast for me but alas, it looks like I will have to get the hoover out.

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Igneococcus · 25/07/2025 10:00

DialSquare · 25/07/2025 09:55

It wasn’t me that said it! It was posted by Suggestionsplease on the previous thread.

I know, I saw that, it was before I couldn't get to that thread anymore.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 10:01

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:54

You are very welcome to revisit them yourself, your search function is just as good as mine.

So if my search function can't find it, that would suggest it doesn't exist.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 10:03

Tandora · 25/07/2025 09:54

They suspended SP and look what has happened to them (them being NHS Fife)

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Well suspending a member of staff who has done nothing more than ask you to respect her legal rights and then not paying her off quickly to make the whole thing go away when none other than the Supreme Court confirms that she was right and you were wrong is unlikely to go well for you, is it?

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BackToLurk · 25/07/2025 10:11

Posts can be both 'clear and thoughtful' and also fail to address, or be relevant to, the questions asked or the subject under discussion.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/07/2025 10:13

DialSquare · 25/07/2025 09:50

It’s sitting with the “Tandora wiping the floor with us all’ notion.

I laughed out loud at that one!

Tandora · 25/07/2025 10:13

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 10:03

Well suspending a member of staff who has done nothing more than ask you to respect her legal rights and then not paying her off quickly to make the whole thing go away when none other than the Supreme Court confirms that she was right and you were wrong is unlikely to go well for you, is it?

I believe they were correct to suspend her. She was harassing DU.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 10:14

Tandora · 25/07/2025 10:13

I believe they were correct to suspend her. She was harassing DU.

You realise she's going to win her case, right? Her employers will be told they were not correct to suspend her.

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