Swivel eyed transphobes

[TonTonMacoute]

Apparently it's people who don't believe you can magically change sex who are the loonies! Who knew?

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/19/transphobes-swivel-eyed-says-labour-mp-leaked-audio/

There are two links from Morris's children on this thread. The first one is Mark Morris and if you scroll down there is another link to an article about his daughter Suki

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5176263-the-guardian-thinking-were-idiots-as-usual

I'm saying that there's not a way for any man to transition and not harm women and children.

There seems to be an idea that the majority of men who transition do so without harming women and children, but are quiet about it. And we only hear from the abusive ones.

What does a non abusive transition look like? If a man wants to be seen as a woman, at the very least he's going to change his name, get female id, change his pronouns. He's not going to correct anyone who calls him 'she'. He's allowing everyone around him, including children to pretend or be conned that he is female. That all causes safeguarding problems.

Lots of trans identifying men have contribute to threads here claiming to follow a reasonable transition. But its all based on the idea that they are in control of how and when they are 'outed' and use womens spaces.

After all, why transition and then be completely honest about your sex?

Thank you 👍

I don't know, maybe because some people are honest? If they're calling themselves 'trans' men and 'trans' women then they are telling you exactly what they are. I don't think there's much to be gained by this conversation really but I will continue to feel positive about how things could be in the future. Otherwise what's the point if we just say, it's all bad and nothing can change. Might as well just give up.

Im not saying nothing can change. Im saying we should stop allowing men to hide their sex. That is achievable.

I'm just questioning if many of the quiet trans people would support it?

It's not really honest to pretend that you are somehow a member of the opposite sex.

Nobody here is going to object to people not conforming to gender stereotypes. The problem with the trans movement is that it reinforces gender stereotypes. A man who calls himself a transwoman is at the very least declaring that there are certain aspects of his appearance or personality which are exclusive to women. This is obviously absurd, since if even one single man has those attributes they are clearly not exclusive to women. And it's obviously offensive to women to suggest that they should have certain personality types or that their appearance should conform to certain stereotypes.

What is it, in your opinion, which distinguishes a nice, decent transwoman from any other man? As soon as they call themselves a transwoman they're declaring that they are a type of woman, not a type of man. What do you think it is that makes them a type of woman rather than a type of man? You, and they, know that they can't change sex, but using the word 'woman' to describe themselves implies that they think they can.

From James Esses today:

Leaked email from Labour MP, Tim Roca, in the aftermath of the Supreme Court judgment.

He suggests that there will be “nowhere for a trans person to go to the toilet”.

He is also “pushing for the puberty blockers trial to be as open as possible” to “vindicate our position”.

https://x.com/JamesEsses/status/1947263758339870993

I don't know, maybe because some people are honest? If they're calling themselves 'trans' men and 'trans' women then they are telling you exactly what they are.

They are telling you that they are at best deluded, or at worst controlling.

Good grief. He’s actually pushing puberty blockers. I’m actually quite shocked by that email. It’s clearly to a group of devoted followers in Macc

I know it’s been said many, many times, but TRA-ism really has all the hallmarks of fundamentalist religion.

This is like an uncompromising American Baptist nutter maintaining that there are human handprints found on dinosaur fossils. And when told that’s not true they just reject science altogether and say we should ‘open our minds’.

@CandidLurker

It does look like that doesn't it, and yes, it's a shocking email.

Here he is at MaccPride – Picnic in the Park – 4th May 2025, Victoria Park, Macclesfield. Not THE Pride event in Macclesfield, but one of them. There seem to be quite a few.

I note that he is asking people to get in touch if they ever have a “ negative experience” in the town. It almost sounds like there is a fast track route for people in this group to be able to contact him. Is it George Orwell’s Animal Farm where “some pigs are more equal than others”?

It does look that way.

I couldn't make it to the hustings. Wish now that I had changed my plans and gone.

Said that he would be committted to preserving single sex spaces (though I think I picked up in this vid that he also said something like "complicated").

https://x.com/OakLaneTree/status/1946567998623346809

What is Tim Toca on? He refers to ‘activists’ who don’t believe trans identities are as valid as other identities. Identities are neither valid or invalid.It’s about as meaningful as saying a painting is correct.

It’s depressing how many people in positions of authority clearly aren’t properly engaging their brains.

The thing that did slightly concern me is who exactly is on this group given there has obviously been previous discussion of puberty blockers. Does Tim know who everyone is and their ages.

There is no "other group". You are deluded.
Just like quiet respectful men who treat women well individually will never actually stand up and denounce men who abuse, harrass and violate women because they indirectly benefit from this behaviour. It's not in their interests to effect actual change. They all belong to the patriarchy.
And all trans people belong to trans ideology in exactly the same way. They are NEVER going to stand up and say "not in my name " because it IS in their name. The behaviour of the "bad" ones indirectly benefits them by getting them what they want. Or has up to now.
There are individuals in both groups, of course, who DO stand up but in general this doesn't happen.
If you are waiting for a revolution by "ordinary good trans people" you'll be waiting a looooong time.

Exactly! They benefit from the behaviour of the activists. They'll never stand up against them.

I think this is a bit much. There are plenty of sexist gay men but I really don't think most gay men despise women.

As this has thread has popped up again I will update. I had a reply from Tim Roca which in summary made no apology and claimed it was all a hatchet job from the Telegraph. I’ve heard that another woman who complained received the same letter. He didn’t actually reply to any of the points in my email, all of which were based on what I heard him say myself in the recorded video and not on any Telegraph article. The subject line of the email had changed. from “definition of a “swivel-eyed transphobe” to “story in the Sunday Telegraph”. I changed it back again when I replied!

That’s just made me think… This shift towards reframing previously relatively objective truths as „identities“ we’re seeing („I identity as Black/gay/neurodiverse“ etc.) - is that all also in implicit service to trans ideology? To validate „identifying as trans“ by, in a sense (to my mind) reducing other, contrasting PCs to a kind of declared self-perception? I’d never thought of it like that before.

Sorry, that was a response to Brainworm at 23.11.