Swivel eyed transphobes

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Apparently it's people who don't believe you can magically change sex who are the loonies! Who knew?

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/19/transphobes-swivel-eyed-says-labour-mp-leaked-audio/

I think they are more likely taking stock and making sure they don't overstep any boundaries to be honest.

The whole point of 'transitioning' is is to live as the opposite sex. How is that possible without harming women and children?

Activists want to promote the idea that there is a way for a man to become a women.

A few years ago it was via a 'meaningful' transition- they cut their penises off.

Now its the idea that they are doing it respectfully- that they have thought long and hard before they do it, but do it anyway.

In what way are gay men who transition more harmful to women and children than gay men who don't transition?

I've had experience with trans people; namely men pushing their way into my lesbian social groups. I've seen both types, young gay men pretending to be women and the middle aged male who cut off his testicles to pretend to be a woman.
They all act like entitled narcissistic obnoxious men. The young gay ones complained about me making a harmless joke "who'd want to be a man" getting me thrown out of the group and forced to apologize. The older one regaled us with charming stories of how he had his penis cut off and how his daughter didn't want him to come to her wedding in women's clothes.
Our comfort, desire for privacy meant nothing to them. There are no 'nice' trans people. The sad female ones have mental health problems, whether lesbian or straight. Stop being kind and deluding yourselves.

Gay men aren't claiming its possible to change sex, they don't come into female spaces, they arent trying to remove sex as a class?

Well you don't like men of any variety whether gay, straight or trans. You commented about your dislike of gay men, can't remember if it was this thread or another one so you're definitely not going to like any trans identified men.

Its such an odd rebuttal, jimmy.

Its as if we liked men enough we'd be happy to let them hide their sex?

gay men who don’t transition are not demanding access to women’s spaces are they? Gay men who don’t transition aren’t demanding women change their language to accommodate them. It doesn’t matter what sexuality a man is, he doesn’t belong in women’s spaces.

Thanks for linking to this. I might do a follow up email to say this is what your more sensible colleagues are saying. I can also use some of this wording in my complaint about Tim to the Labour Party.

The trouble is that most of the quiet ones Mumsnetters come across are trying to join women's walking groups, yoga groups, want to join women only swimming sessions - but always in a very quiet way.

Exactly.
I happened to have had a wonderful supportive father who was a devoted husband to my loving mother. And my family's male friends were all respectful of women.
There is no nice man, gay or straight, who forces their way into women-only groups, sports, changing rooms...

Is this a genuine question?

Just the reinforcement of regressive gender stereotyping would be enough - that being a woman is all about how they look and behave, rather than the reality that being a woman is just being a human being with a female body. But it's all about sex for them. This is an example of what Paris Lees thinks being a woman is all about.

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If you don't understand how pushing the idea that being a woman is all about being fucked is harmful to women, I can't help you.

The quiet ones were the ones who got the GRA2004 passed. Christine Burns has boasted about how quietly they got the law passed which eventually led to where we are now.

Jan Morris quietly abused his wife and daughter while we were all thinking he was a harmless, quiet transwoman just getting on with his life.

Jan Morris was a trans pioneer — and a cruel parent

Since it's what they've always done, I think we can be fairly sure that that's what they're doing now.

You won't find many people here saying all trans people are the same.

I should have been clearer in my post that I was talking about male transsexuals. Women do have very different reasons for transitioning. Children who identify as trans have been brainwashed (how can you be a transsexual when you don't have any experience of sex or even really understand what sex is?)

Children are a very convenient cover for male transitioners, particularly the older heterosexual ones (AGPs), so they have pushed the idea of 'trans kids', helped by hordes of useful idiots who think they're 'being kind'.

The idea the different men are motivated by different reasons to transition, and want to do different things is of interest to therapists, not women.

I don't want men to follow girls into changing rooms because it'll embarrass girls, i dont want them in womens sport because it disadvantages women. I dont care if theyve had operations, or changed id, or are attracted to men, or they have decided that they pass.

Its not about how the men feel, its about how women feel.

I haven't said anywhere that I think men of any description should be in women's spaces, sports etc etc because I don't think they should. What I've been trying to say is now that we've had the SC ruling it's time for the 'quiet' trans people to make themselves heard over the loud mouthed and abusive TRA's and shut them down so that everyone can just get on with their lives without bothering anyone else, especially women. You could accuse me of trying to be too positive but I do believe things are very slowly shifting. But those ordinary trans people need to take a stand now and show themselves to be decent people because I believe many of them are judging by my own experience. I'm sorry if I haven't made myself clear that I think men of any description have any place in women's spaces

I don't disagree with you at all. I'm not sure why anyone thinks I'm advocating for men in women's spaces?

I agree

I just don't have a dislike of all trans identified men unless they are the type that encroach on women. I believe there are some decent ones. No one has to agree with me! I like to try and see that positive change could come but that's just me

So you are of the opinion that all males with a trans identity should stay out of women’s spaces? I totally agree.

Yes I'm of that opinion, absolutely. That also includes any man whether they are straight, trans or what the hell else!

Again I agree with this. I think I've probably not explained myself very well so I'll leave it at that but to be clear finally no men in women's spaces the end full stop!

Do you have an archive link at all please?