Compelled speech - Croydon pride

[Cheeseandtomato72]

Croydon pride will only accept applications from stall vendors who agree to state they believe:

trans women are women. Trans men are men and non binary identities are valid.

vendor applicants need to ‘join in a public display of support’ affirming these principles.

This is discrimination against anyone who does not accept biological males as women. Total disregard for the Supreme Court judgment.

The following companies sponsor Croydon pride. I’ve added their complaints email. You know what to do Mumsnet 😉

Unilever - https://www.unilever.co.uk/contact/

superdrug [email protected]

London Southbank University - no complaints email for non students but you can call this number to find out who to report activity to tel:+44 (0)20 7815 7500 +44 (0)20 7815 7500

😂😂😂

(Because sometimes you really, really need the laugh emoji, @Mumsnet ..)

As we all know, lies are all Chris, Bee and Aida have got.

Yep. Chris would be known as Bertie Smalls, where I grew up.

Christinapple · Yesterday 21:24

"I’ve added their complaints email. You know what to do Mumsnet "

I'll give them a tip off so if any threats are received they'll know where to start the police investigation.

I hope that you gave your real details to MN, so that the Police can charge you with making a false report and wasting Police time!

Off topic but I would love to join a South Croydon book club! Please DM me if you managed to find one!

Yeah, females are going to threaten to bash up and rape them.

No, that's your side. Gaslighting and DARVO from you.

Remind us again which 'side' wins their court judgements which then creates precedent and clarity around the law?

SERIOUSLY… we need the evidence to quote.

At the moment any agency we approach will ask to see it and it seems to be no longer available on the website.

Without evidence Croydon Pride can deny it, and it sounds like gossip.

Irrespective of my views on the trans issue I am deeply concerned about democratic use of Croydon’s parks. But I am not risking raising a complaint without evidence.

@SinnerBoy - good point ! We should all being using this response to TRA madness and hyperbole going forward. Actually their often irrational response to any kind of disagreement / challenge / question is a waste of time and if they are wasting police time we should be following this up. Thanks for suggesting 👍

Hi I’ve got a screenshot but in terms of accessing the actual webpage it appears to be closed because the website application for stall vendors closed on 30/5. I’ve attached image here - thanks @RantzNotBantz

Thank you!

Pls see evidence here - screenshot of command to applicants by Croydon pride

Blimey. So anyone having a stall there (not sure who that would be, but presumably some would be employers) has to be part of a press release affirming that AND CONDEMNING THOSE THAT OPPOSE? That sounds like tons more court cases waiting to happen!

Well fuckin 'ell "who they love" imagine number 2 poping up for Surrey Pride police participation.

Talk about tone deaf

Some people need to cop on and put limits on their demands.

And 3 shows why the police

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5342327-linzi-smith-is-granted-judicial-review-over-police-participation-in-pride

and big companies need to cop on.

Unilever has I will bet not signed off on their branding being used nor appointing some Random from Croydon Pride as their spokesperson and if non-Senior Officers staff did that is normally a misconduct issue.

"Gay rights" is an easy corporate flag no body needs to know who you are having sex with unless its a HR problem.

"Trans rights" like "disability rights" will cost actual money and time and reputation so will fall out of flavour. Add in the US is dumping the "look at what good capitalist we are" reporting needed for the Stock Market.

I expect purity spirals will only speed up the review of spending.

The Uni is regulated and one Uni has paid out a reduced fine for much less than what is being demanded

Yes I'm sorry, I was overtired and not thinking properly, I do understand what was meant now!

That is shocking! Im actually lost for words. Jesus!

Even then ‘trans women’ usually don’t really want be the opposite sex. They want to have the rights of the opposite sex, use their spaces and take their awards, scholarships etc. But they always want to keep their dick. Their dick is a very important part of their identity. We’re just not allowed to talk about it.

Well said pencils

chris goes straight to threats and harassment

very telling….bit of projection there I think

and ive said it before and i’ll say it gain, if i honestly thought a fourm was that transphobic and homophobic? I wouldn’t be on it…🤷🏻

There'll be no threats. This is the Gender Critical side.

But hey run and tell them anyway. They might say something kind and affirming to you.

Defo!

None of you have ever been to Croydon Pride, none of you were ever going to go to Croydon Pride and nobody ever asked your opinion on Croydon Pride. This may be a public event but Croydon pride is an independent organisation and is allowed to make its own rules.

Croydon pride is, and has always been, trans inclusive.

LGBT people existed and built communities before it was legal, if you succeed in snuffing out all legal routes through your billionaire funded lawsuits then LGBT people will still continue to exist and will continue to build supportive communities like Croydon Pride.

Based on the notion that Trans rights are the only rights and that there's nothing wrong with a man wanting to follow women and girls into changing rooms?

I'm happy to remind you that it goes on a lot.

But we're putting a stop to all that nonsense now, thanks very much.

I've not looked into this in detail, but it's quite possibly illegal.

"is an independent organisation and is allowed to make its own rules"

Just like hotels/bars were once allowed to say "no Irish or blacks"

But not any more. Society raised the bar of decent behaviour and those cosily content with the old ways may be in for a shock.

And it's TQ+ not LGB anything.

Gay people were never like this. All they wanted was to be treated equally. They made no other demands and insisted on no compelled speech.

Bla bla bla

Public money comes with public duty obligations

And the law in the UK applies to everybody.