We thought Owen Jones couldn’t get more odious.. He has proved us wrong!

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https://archive.md/aOdSj

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‘[Owen] seems to be upset because she had a chuckle about his erratic behaviour on Piers Morgan Uncensored last week. In response to an X user who wondered if Jones might have partaken of the white stuff before fidgeting and gurning his way through Morgan’s show, Rowling tweeted: “Well, he is known as Talcum X.”

Jones is hopping mad. He’s even written a 1,300-word screed on what a rotter Rowling is, which I’m sure we can all agree is a perfectly normal response to a woman making a joke.’

😂😂 and also 🤮🤢

It’s so easy for us to ignore the suffering of other people, and get distracted by all the crap and lies we are fed to do so.

Yes, I guess that's why you lot ignore all the global suffering that isn't within Gaza, although you also ignore the two simple things Hamas could do to stop it - release the hostages and surrender. It's not just Jews and Israelis they love to see dead...

Still, saying things should be "talked about" is not the same as a man demanding that a woman publicly declare him correct on Issue X before he will accept she has a right to speak on - or disagree with him on - Issue Y.

Well the thread seems to have moved on and slightly off the original topic, but, going back to that...
Anyone who thinks that Little OJ genuinely gives a flying fuck about the women and girls of Gaza, is as much off their tits as he clearly is, in that exchange with PM.

JKR - here's my opinion on blah blah = OJ - I DEMAND YOU SHUT UP WOMAN
JKR - not offering an opinion on blah blah = OJ - I DEMAND YOU SPEAK WOMAN

JKR - here's my opinion on blah blah = OJ - I DEMAND YOU SHUT UP WOMAN
JKR - not offering an opinion on blah blah = OJ - I DEMAND YOU SPEAK WOMAN

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Because she has spoken in defence of Israel, so appears to be condoning a genocide which has killed tens of thousands of women and children

Blimey, amongst other things she's been accused of being a holocaust denier, an antisemite, a Zionist, an Islamophobe and now, apparently, a genocide supporter. I'm not sure what time she gets up in the morning, but she d'n't 'arf pack it in, d'n't she? All that and the books, I don't know what I'm doing with my life.

”not commiting to wholesale carnage”?

Take a look at the first, third, and fifth pictures here for starters.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2025/jan/20/devastation-aerial-views-gaza-ceasefire-in-pictures

As far as I know, the UK does not/did not sell arms to Myanmar, or train its soldiers or send the RAF to overfly Rohingya settlements - therefore I am not implicated in that injustice.

Of course I care about what has happened to the Rohingya, but when the UK involves itself in something that looks very like ethnic cleansing, as a UK citizen I take it very personally. I urge everyone to write to their MPs about British involvement in the conflict in Gaza.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/britain-sent-over-500-spy-flights-to-gaza/

I'm starting to get really fed up of mediocre idiots using JKR as a shortcut for declaring their alignment to the Party while capitalising on (that is, leeching off) her high profile to promote whatever shitty single or podcast or video they've just shat out. Lazy and vampiric.

No, this is about Owen Jones giving an interview on the Middle East and JK Rowling choosing to hurl juvenile/nasty insults at him on social media about his reaction to medication rather than doing what any decent person would, IE A) discuss the issue he was discussing or B) ignore the interview if it’s not something you care about/presently wish to comment on.

Both sides should stop it. Neither side views the other as human or cares about civilian deaths. Hamas needs to go but so does Netanyahu’s far right government. Both need to alone go for a peaceful two state solution to come about. But in the meantime, as we are constantly told, Israel is at war with Hamas. But there are rules to a war. And the fact that one side in a war, ie Hamas, doesn’t surrender, doesn’t make Israel’s atrocities against innocent civilians/ children okay. And as for trying “really really hard” to avoid civilian deaths - yeah right.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2025/jan/20/devastation-aerial-views-gaza-ceasefire-in-pictures

It's the good old omnicause. We demanded that the wimmins accept our fantasy world view that men in dresses are women, but they refused, so now we're demanding other behaviour from them, and somehow connecting it:

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3lsopcnita22h

And as for trying “really really hard” to avoid civilian deaths - yeah right.

Israel has lost nearly 1000 IDF members in Gaza so far. They could have avoided those casualties, at the expense of further Gaza civilian casualties.

But this is a discussion for the CITME board, not here.

So you only really care if you’re personally involved (or feel like you are).

Got it.

I totally agree.

JKR, being an independent writer with independent means, and not being a journalist with a column in a national newspaper, has the right to engage on whatever topic she so chooses with an emphasis on her choice and agency.

Who does OJ think he is ordering her about?

A man. The lefty sexist pigs really aren't any better than the righty ones. The right considers women private property and the left considers them public property.

Obviously the IDF need boots on the ground as they want to take prisoners of war to interrogate - and of course to torture/sexually abuse. Abuse including raping with metal sticks and other objects, rape by dogs, electrocution, and various other atrocities. Please read this article to the end, though it makes horrible reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Gaza_war

Also of note in terms of accusations of genocide from a different angle, right at the end of the article:

“In its March 2025 report on sexual and gender-based violence against the Palestinian people, the UN Human Rights Commission also examined Israeli attacks on medical facilities in the Gaza Strip, focusing in particular on an Israeli bombing in Gaza City in December 2023 against Al-Basma IVF Centre, the territory’s main in vitro fertilisation clinic. The commission concluded from a visual analysis of photos of the damage that the attack was consistent with Israeli artillery fire and that it was carried out intentionally. More than 4,000 embryos were destroyed in the bombing, as well as 1,000 sperm and egg samples. The report found that the attack amounted to "two categories of genocidal acts in the Rome Statute and the Genocide Convention, including deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of Palestinians and imposing measures intended to prevent births." Another form of attack on reproductive rights,listed by the Commission among the genocidal acts committed by Israel against the Palestinian people, is the blocking of medication for pregnancy, deliveries and neonatal care from the Gaza Strip._

In its March 2025 report on sexual and gender-based violence against the Palestinian people, the UN Human Rights Commission

it is SEX based violence. Based on the victim's SEX not their wo-wo-gender.

And the quicker the UN and other organisations get on board with using correct terminology, the better able we all will be to get on with the inevitable court cases about the use of Rape as a weapon of war.

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Without getting into the rights and wrongs of flattening huge areas of civilian infrastructure...
Given that there are no air-raid shelters in Gaza (because Hamas likes to use cement to build terror tunnels), and looking at the level of destruction of blocks of flats, I would expect a much higher civilian death toll (and no, I am neither believing that Hamas has provided accurate figures for civilian dead, nor condoning everything that the IDF has done).

About 30k people were killed in the Blitz, which lasted for about 9 months. Londoners had access to shelters and the Tube, and London didn't look like that afterwards (though some areas were heavily damaged).

So - aside, as I say, from the rights and wrongs of flattening civilian districts - it does look as if Israel does indeed warn people to get the hell out ahead of time.

I DID. And then I responded.

You seem to have forgotten everything you wrote the minute you wrote it. You began this exchange unable to recognise a direct response to your words, using the language that you used.

If you'd like to retract or temper your sentiments, then by all means do so.

There is absolutely no shame in saying that you may have spoken too strongly or generally on your first go round - we've all done it - but playing silly buggers, pretending that you didn't say what you said when it's there in black and white to read, is just irritating.

What is truly offputting about the pallie obsessives- they like the TRAs are monomaniacs. They can never shut up about the topic. You are deliberately derailing but you dont really care do you?

Well obviously the general accusation isn’t that the IDF is trying to kill as many Palestinians, including women and children, as quickly as it possibly can. If that were their aim they could perhaps consider using some of the nuclear weapons at their disposal. Rather the accusation is that the IDF doesn’t give much of a shit whether its “targeted strike” that takes out two alleged Hamas fighters also kills zero civilians, or five civilians, or fifty civilians. And that’s without even mentioning damage to vital infrastructure including medical infrastructure which there is strong evidence the IDF has repeatedly purposely targeted.

And as for the argument “well that’s not genocide then is it if they’re no killing that many”. Well, no it does not work like that as obviously destroying the land (66% of all buildings damaged or destroyed in the entirety of Gaza, an area spanning 360sqkm) most services, hospitals, clinics, schools destroyed, and making a place unliveable can have the same result, things just take slightly longer and “look” slightly better to those who would choose not to see.

I've noticed this about people who make it their one issue. It makes me wonder what drives the monomania.

I don't suppose many people here are regular watchers of George Galloway's YouTube, but I happened to catch Gallows recently and when he was booming that "Israel is committing a holocaust in Gaza", the look of glee in his eye when he said the h-word was something you couldn't miss.

OJ is neither as clever nor as subtle as Gallows, and whatever substance he's taking is not helping him hide his massive boner for Hamas.

But of course such is the devastation to Gaza that when the fighting finally stops many of the population will be forced to leave anyway if they wish their children to be able to get basic medicines, never mind go to school. Most people predict that, given the state of the economy, Gaza will take more than a hundred years to rebuild. So the far right government of Israel has, by reducing 300sqkm of Gaza to rubble in a sense already achieved its goal of ethnic cleansing.

What’s left of Gaza (the video actually gets worse as it progresses). And yes the Irish government (where I live) calling it a genocide has it pretty accurate.

Why are you lying? You clearly did not read beyond the first sentence.

And if you did then your entire post makes no sense as a response to what I wrote.

But if you prefer to impose your will on women instead of working with them that’s on you.

I know what I prefer.

(Why would I retract one thing I said? I will never champion western imperialism and condescension over actually listening to local rights advocates and working with them. Why on earth would I?)

I stand by every word I wrote but I write under the assumption people actually read past “the first sentence”.

@anotherside my last response to you will be to say please stop derailing the thread. There's a whole board for you to post on.