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Mayor of London Sadiq Khan speaks out on Supreme Court’s definition of ‘sex’

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IwantToRetire · 07/07/2025 20:15

“As the Mayor of London I meet regularly with trans Londoners and I know the stigma they face, the discrimination they face. I know this is one of those vulnerable communities across the country and across the world, and I’m fed up with trans people being used as a political football.

“I’m fed up with them being at the centre of a cruel cultural war. And that’s why it’s really important that the Equality and Human Rights Commission comes up with proper guidance because what I don’t want is us to regress the rights that have been hard-fought and won been rowed back.”

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/mayor-of-london-speaks-out-about-supreme-courts-definition-of-sex-487186/

I was going to add this to the tread about Labour letting down the trans community but that has been deleted for infringing copyright.

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan speaks out on Supreme Court's definition of 'sex' (EXCLUSIVE)

"As the Mayor of London I meet regularly with Trans Londoners and I know the stigma they face, the discrimination they face"

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/mayor-of-london-speaks-out-about-supreme-courts-definition-of-sex-487186/

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TheOtherRaven · 07/07/2025 22:20

PennyAnnLane · 07/07/2025 21:43

These people must live on a different planet to me, I don’t see a vulnerable community at all, I see a group of men with fetishes who could identify out of this so called ‘vulnerable’ group by simply changing their clothes at any point, and frequently do when it suits them.

I see the same group.

This population undeniably includes violent, aggressive, sexually fetishistic men who freely desire to control, harass, abuse and harm women in women's spaces. Who seek to end women's right to homosexuality. And even the 'nice' ones have no fucks to give if they exclude or distress or humiliate women as they meet their own needs in women's spaces.

Is Mr Khan in denial about this, or does he merely think those born women have a responsibility to suck this up for the greater good of all men?

Nchangeo · 07/07/2025 22:25

Khans always been dodgy so not sure why this is surprising

SionnachRuadh · 07/07/2025 22:29

Nice to see our distinguished Mayor on his usual form

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan speaks out on Supreme Court’s definition of ‘sex’
Nchangeo · 07/07/2025 22:32

Was just making a decaf and I had further reflection on this.

This topic is the perfect combination of ethics, morals, critical thinking and whether someone has a backbone.

It’s actually a very basic test as it’s quite a low bar for all of the above (probably a medium- high bar for the latter (backbone) in the tough times of the past).

Yet 90% of the populace pass this very basic test. And yet 95% of our politicians didn’t. It’s really quite damning.

proximalhumerous · 07/07/2025 22:48

This is a man who is married and has two young adult daughters.

IwantToRetire · 08/07/2025 01:13

Manteiga · 07/07/2025 21:29

Copyrighted material doesn't become public domain as soon as someone copies it! Whether linking to copyright-infringing material might itself constitute infringement seems a bit complex, and boring. I can see why Mumsnet wouldn't want to test out the law.

But I don't understand why they deleted the whole thread rather than just edit out the archive link. There were 4 pages of posts already.

Yes can see I shouldn't have used the word domain, but wanted to make clear I hadn't made the copy.

And yes the internet is not very well regulated, but should I or anyone else not post a link to an article that is archived.

If that is now their policy they need to make everyone aware.

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Needspaceforlego · 08/07/2025 02:36

What an arse?

At what point are some politician's going to wake up?
When something happens to the women in their life is that what it's going to take?
A boy in the girls changing rooms, a man eyeing up their mother in hospital?

GreenFriedTomato · 08/07/2025 02:37

Fucking imbecile. I'm honestly too tired to write anything else

BellissimoGecko · 08/07/2025 03:32

SternJoyousBee · 07/07/2025 20:18

Knowing that sex is binary and immutable is not a fucking culture war! This is just the usual emotive bullshit to try and stop actual conversation and debate about competing rights. Khan just wants women to shut up and let the men do what they want whenever they want.

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Kinsters · 08/07/2025 07:10

If I remember correctly the deleted thread's OP quoted the article at length through copy and pasting the relevant bit about transgender. So possibly an archive link would have been ok but copy and pasting the text is not? I suspect it was reported by somebody who didn't like what was being said in the thread and saw an easy opportunity to get it taken down.

Maryslion · 08/07/2025 07:19

OvaHere · 07/07/2025 21:03

He does know that the EHRC can only create guidance based on the ruling? The ruling that says women are female.

They can't just produce something in opposition to the SC judgment.

The man is completely thick.

And nasty with it.

We have such low caliber politicians.

maltravers · 08/07/2025 07:22

Toseland · 07/07/2025 20:31

...I don’t want is us to regress the rights that have been hard-fought and won...
What rights did they fight hard for and win Mr Khan?!

Unless it’s women’s rights, in which case fill your boots!

Wheresthebeach · 08/07/2025 07:32

I’m so utterly fed up with this misogyny

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 08/07/2025 07:49

BadIdeaRight · 07/07/2025 21:07

And then these politicians bang on about tackling VAWG. The fucking cheek. They can’t even define ‘woman’ and they certainly don’t defend our rights.

Sadiq Khan has problems understanding other commonly used terms to do with VAWG.

Are there 'grooming gangs' in London? Sadiq Khan accused of stonewalling Tory questions
17 Jan 2025

Susan Hall: Exactly how much clearer do you want me to be? So I asked you this question last week and you found every which way but not to answer it. Just how many grooming gangs have we got in London?

Sadiq Khan: So the situation in London in relation to young people being groomed is different to other parts of the uh country. So what we have in London is young people being groomed, to use your your words not mine, uh to to be using county lines uh in relation to uh sometimes . . .

Susan Hall: OK let me make it clear. Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I was told I shouldn't be saying "rape gangs", they are rape gangs. I'm talking about rape gangs. I'm not talking about county lines. But to go back, nobody likes me saying "rape gangs" although they are rape gangs. Grooming gangs that I would call rape gangs. Tell me about them. How many of those have we got? Not county lines, those particular groups, to avoid any misunderstanding.

Sadiq Khan: Can she define what she means by that?

Susan Hall: Yes. If you look at what's gone on in Rotheram, where there are
people taking young girls grooming them for sex, that is what I'm talking about.

Sadiq Khan: uh well we know in London there are issues about exploitation of young people uh but they're not as defined by the member in her definition of what those types of gangs are.

Susan Hall: So are you saying we haven't got the same sort of gangs that are in Rotheram and Bradford and lots of other places in the country?

Sadiq Khan: Just understanding, what does she mean by that?

Susan Hall: You know full well what I mean by that. It's all over the television. You know exactly what I mean by that. These gangs of people that are grooming young girls for sex. Do we actually have those in London?

Sadiq Khan: In order for me to be able to give a full answer can she be clear what she means by that? I'm not clear what she means.

Susan Hall: How much clearer do you want me to be? Look at the gangs that they've uncovered in other parts of the country. Do we have those gangs in London? It's a simple question. The answer is very simple, it's Yes or No. I'm not asking you where those gangs are because the police might not want them to be disclosed. I'm asking you do we have those sort of gangs in London.

Sadiq Khan: I'm not sure why she's so nervous to say what she means. What what do you mean?

Susan Hall: No! No no no. I am saying exactly what I mean. I'm saying have we got any of those grooming gangs in London?

Sadiq Khan: I'm unclear to what is meant by the question. If she could spell it out I can answer.

Susan Hall: I've just spelled it out, are you not listening? It's the sort of gangs that groom young girls at a young age for sex. Exactly how much clearer do you want me to be?

Sadiq Khan: So we do have issues in London with young girls being groomed uh for county lines. Some of those girls are used for uh uh sex and that's one of the reasons why I've set up things like the Lighthouse funded by City Hall, why we've set up four hubs uh to help survivors of child sexual abuse while investing in London's violence exploitation support service, why I commissioned the HMI to look into the issue of child exploitation, why the police service now employs 1,200 Child Protection offices, while we have operations of (?) first begun in uh London, why we're the only police force that began the V100 targeting the 100 most violent men in London . .

Susan Hall: OK I just asked a Yes-No question. So approximately how many of these gangs that I am talking about, that I do not know why you don't understand the sort of gangs I'm I'm talking about, exactly or approximately, I should say to give you leeway, approximately how many of those gangs have we got in London? Because the public is very, very rightfully concerned
about this and concerned about these young women.

Sadiq Khan: Well I'm still on the wiser why she's so nervous about saying what she means uh but in London we have V100 which are the 100 most prolific, dangerous people that police target. That number goes up and down so one month the V100 may be 120 people or one month there may be 80 people and each BCU has a localized V number uh so when I was in Croyden a few weeks ago the V number wasn't 100 it was a bit below. But as they reminded me people can sometimes go in that list or out that list

Susan Hall: OK. Thank you. Chairman uh I was very clear on what I
was talking about. I just don't understand what it is that the mayor wants me to say that's any different. I'll leave it there thank you

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Roll forward to July 2025 . . .

Sadiq Khan on "trans Londoners": "I know this is one of those vulnerable communities across the country and across the world"

Also in July 2025 . . .

Child grooming in London at 'catastrophic' levels
July 2025

Levels of child grooming in London are "more catastrophic" than anywhere else in the country, a care sector activist and abuse survivor has said.

Chris Wild said grooming and criminal exploitation are rife in the capital, and it is being missed due to poor data-sharing and underfunded services.

A review by Baroness Louise Casey into child grooming gangs across England found a "mismatch" in the way the way the Metropolitan Police and local authorities record child abuse.

Full article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8zew2egjvo

Despite Khan being London Mayor and Police & Crime Commissioner for the Met, not one mention of his name in that article.

When they do that "national investigation" into who in authority obstructed identification of those rape gangs aka grooming gangs that SK pretends never to have heard of I hope they hang that little weasel out to dry!!

Who is "one of those vulnerable communities across the country and across the world" Sadiq? Who is it? It's little children being groomed and gang raped - not the likes of convicted torturer Alan Sarah Jane "If you see a TERF punch 'em in the fuckin' face" Baker.

A man in a black shirt sits in front of a white-framed window, looking serious. A leafy plant and a lit lamp are partially visible at the edges of the image.

Child grooming is 'catastrophic' in London, says survivor

Campaigner Chris Wild says data collection failures mask what he says is a "national crisis".

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8zew2egjvo

RedToothBrush · 08/07/2025 07:54

Oh fuck off Sadiq.

We are sick of being discriminated against for being female and recognised females and males and we are sick at the failures of authority and power to safeguard.

You have a conflict of interest in your whining here. It suits you to not uphold the rights of women because your in charge and their liability issues.

TheKeatingFive · 08/07/2025 08:02

Getting your dick out in the woman's bathroom isn't a human 'right' Sadiq.

Some other poster on here came up with that, but I'm stealing it with pride 😂

Westfacing · 08/07/2025 08:11

Does anyone know if he's planning to stand for a fourth term as London mayor?

bellinisurge · 08/07/2025 08:21

They really don’t like having it pointed out to them that they were liars. They whipped people up into a frenzy with patently incorrect interpretations of the law. They made unrealistic promises and found the usual enemy- women saying No - to blame their problems on.
Tantrums don’t change the law.

viques · 08/07/2025 08:35

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/07/2025 21:32

He’s akways been an utter beeee kind twat on this issue

but on the plus side it does give me the opportunity to post this again . I think it’s pretty easy to tell who are the men and who are the women here

I make it two of each!

zanahoria · 08/07/2025 08:39

TheKeatingFive · 08/07/2025 08:02

Getting your dick out in the woman's bathroom isn't a human 'right' Sadiq.

Some other poster on here came up with that, but I'm stealing it with pride 😂

It cannot be said enough times

NextRinny · 08/07/2025 08:55

I'll never stop asking-
Do those born female i.e. women have a right to congregate without any males present?

fromorbit · 08/07/2025 08:57

Khan is a massive hypocrite. As a practising muslim he attends a mosque which is divided by biological sex and which is going to see being gay as wrong. Like all "liberal" muslims he has to deal with the fact the mosque he attends doesn't believe in stuff which he feels is right. Yet he doesn't want to face the conflict or call anyone out.

If you remember there was a massive drama earlier in the year because various Prides, including London, said there was going to be no political representation at them especially from Labour because the law had finally admitted biology exists. At the time I thought this was unlikely because the Mayor of London gives Pride a lot of money. This turned out to be correct Khan was at the front of London Pride as usual.

What we see here is a bunch of massive liars. Khan speaks very carefully saying that trans rights are being rolled back, but at the same time says it is all down to EHRC to sort it out. Khan knows his party and Starmer backs the Supreme Court decision even if some don't want to enforce it. People like Khan just are waiting till EHRC rules so they can pretend it is all out of their hands. He is acting like his party is not in charge and they are not picking someone to head the EHRC who will enforce the decision

Meanwhile London Pride don't want to actually to enforce the ban against Khan because they will lose cash. So what we get is everyone lying. Khan saying he is horrified by decision, but also not committing to campaign or do anything against it. Pride saying Labour are bad, but getting Khan one of their biggest politicians to head their parade again.

They are all kicking the can down the road because they can't face the reality that women's voices actually matter.

The thing is reality bites. So the EHRC are going to say the same thing as they have already - agree with the Supreme Court that humans are real, so is biology etc. So next years Pride is going to be really absurd. They will have boxed themselves in. Khan won't be able to hide any more. His administration is going to have to enforce the law the same way companies are. Pride will either have to ban him or become even more obviously two faced.

At the same time in everyday life Khan's key constituency ethnic minority Londoners are first people to say the sex is real actually.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/07/2025 09:42

Khan is and always has been a misogynistic prick.

Nevertrustacop · 08/07/2025 09:47

Sadiq Khan is a twit. And I don't use that word lightly.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 08/07/2025 09:56

SternJoyousBee · 07/07/2025 20:18

Knowing that sex is binary and immutable is not a fucking culture war! This is just the usual emotive bullshit to try and stop actual conversation and debate about competing rights. Khan just wants women to shut up and let the men do what they want whenever they want.

This

And FFS enough of the “most vulnerable “ bullshit.

SK should consider that half of the electorate are biological women and don’t forget when muppets come out with such twaddle.