What will happen when the EHRC Code of Practice is released?

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And is approved by Parliament. More protests? More moobs on the streets? Will organisations follow the law now that they can no longer say they are waiting for the EHRC? Will we ever go back to 'normal'?

Yes, and there is also the bothersome fact that women have rights too, and the Equality Act (when followed) those a fine job of balancing of these competing rights.

Article 8 privacy rights are about your right to live your life privately without government interference.

Yes, and this has been explained over and over. Very patiently, thankfully.

Don't forget to wag your finger 😁

I hope that those whose motivation is to ‘be kind’ will recognise that the best way to support vulnerable males who think that to participate in society they need to access provision for females, is to lobby for suitable alternative provision. They should pair this with lobbying for better mental health support to build the resilience of those who are distressed by the outcomes of the guidance.

Those who wish to remove the legal right to single sex provision should continue to fundraise and fight for this. This is part and parcel of living in a pluralistic society. However, they will find it difficult to regain the ground that they gained using the Denton strategy as the genie is out of the bottle. It is no longer taboo to highlight that transwomen are male within the context of discussion about single sex provision. People cannot deflect by fainting and getting everyone searching for the smelling salts when raising the issues arising. Both of these factors will make it difficult to regain lost ground.

I really, really hope that advocacy for trans people will start to focus on the many different ways their quality of life can be improved that don’t require females having to sacrifice female only provision.

Is expecting someone to use a unisex toilet really such an egregious breach of their human rights?

What kind of mindset do you have to have that genuinely believes you can change all the laws so that you can disappear sex, heterosexuality, privacy for all women and girls and all sex based rights, like maternity and pregnancy just so a handful of men can get their jollies in the ladies loo.

And the way you think you can do it is by threatening to kill everybody, getting your moobs out, and pissing everywhere.

It's bonkers. And if they want to change the Equality Act, this is what they will have to argue.

I think that when this is released women shouldn’t wait to defend what is only a reset to what they had before, (single sex spaces). I think we should push further for rights in areas that we haven’t yet had. We need to build on the fact that sex has been clarified in UK law. So that could be around any aspect of the law that affects women’s lives.

My personal shortlist would include supporting the campaigners who are trying to raise awareness that legalising assisted dying is sexist because it offers a new (and legal) way for abusers to manipulate women.

Then I think legislators need to look at online harms again. I think that misogyny should be made a hate crime. And I think that online grooming of people on social media (especially young kids) with misogynistic content should be outlawed.

I’m not sure that this investigation will go the way you would like. Prior to the Baroness taking over the policies and guidance were completely unlawful. That was indeed a shameful period and many institutions will be investigated because of it

Yes indeed, but probably not towards the conclusion that you would like.

Timeline of efforts to sabotage the EHRC’s work to protect everyone’s rights:

sex-matters.org/about-us/what-we-are-up-against/ehrc-timeline/

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Let’s face it a good deal of enthusiastic support for trans activism up to now was because it’s cheap to buy rainbow flags and tell women to budge up.

Suddenly now it’s in the same worthy category as autism support or disability rights. Nice to have but expensive - so frequently ignored. The Lords are looking into the effectiveness of The Autism Act at the moment - I can tell you it’s been entirely ineffective because no one put any budget into it or made any arrangements to put the support/key workers in place. Businesses arent obliged to retrofit disabled ramps and loos into premises so they don’t although New builds have obligations in the Building Regs.

I expect that enthusiasm for trans rights will soften off quite a bit now that this comes with significant financial obligations…

Of course it's not. Nor is insisting that men stay out of spaces where women and girls undress, toilet, sleep etc.
These fuckers are so self absorbed and entitled that we're in for months of whining and moaning until they get the message that men's rights don't triumph. Even if they piss everywhere in revenge.

In 10-20 years you’ll be pretending that you didn’t support keeping children in a prepubescent state and chemically castrating them.
You’ll also pretend you didn’t relentlessly troll feminist forums with bullshit, demonstrably untrue lies.

It's ok @BeeSouriante you don't need to announce your presence like that. You've already made it clear how much you hate us pesky women who keep saying no to men.

The first step of real change will be when a woman challenges an organisation over changing rooms or similar. The organisation reacts and intends to fight but at the moment before the Court/Tribunal starts. They offer no evidence and withdraw. All this in public.

The men that seem to hate us the most are the ones who claim they want to become like us.

But not the real us, with sexism and misogyny and crappy healthcare and childcare and emotional labour and menopause and everything.

Just the weird sorority girl pillow fight fantasy of us, with makeup and head tilts. But with added male entitlement.

Yes, we know you can 'always' tell, well apart from when you can't or when you go harass some poor cisgender woman because you think her shoulders are too broad or something.

You still persist with this nonsense despite the fact that a trans person sat and talked with far right troll KJK and she, nor any of her crew realised until she was covered in tomato soup.

A lot of (nearly all) ATAs don't have the first clue about trans people and transition, which is insane as some of you have been fussing over trans people for many years

You still persist with this nonsense despite the fact that a trans person sat and talked with far right troll KJK and she, nor any of her crew realised until she was covered in tomato soup.

Oh my God, that's just made me piss myself laughing.

You don't know we're trans until we attack you 🤣🤣🤣

“You still persist with this nonsense despite the fact that a trans person sat and talked with far right troll KJK and she, nor any of her crew realised until she was covered in tomato soup.”

You can't tell, you don't know, how do you know??

Yes, you at the back!

Me: is it the violence, sir??

@BeeSouriante ...don't have the first clue about trans people and transition

There are so many people under the trans umbrella though. Do you mean the homosexual transsexuals? the transvestites, most of whom experience some sort of sexual arousal through cross-dressing? the AGPs, who experience sexual arousal at the thought of themselves as women? the various exhibitionists and voyeurs who will happily assume a trans identity if it gets them access to women they can harass? the children and young people, often very vulnerable, who are seduced by talk of glitter families and transformation? You need to be more specific, Bee

You really are in for a terrible disappointment when the ECHR have to gently explain to you that 'human rights' includes women, who are actually human too.

...don't have the first clue about trans people and transition

i'm guessing Bee hasn't noticed the, what is it now, at least six or seven thousand posts on here from women married to trans identified men.

Still, it's an easy mistake to make, when you can't actually hear what women say.

And yes, it's a big mistake. Huge.

We'll see and hear a lot more from Nadia Whittome and Zarah Sultana, if that is possible.