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Behind the ruling: how ‘Sex Matters’ is shaping UK policy on trans rights

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BeeSouriante · 27/06/2025 00:39

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/home-affairs/behind-the-ruling-how-sex-matters-is-shaping-uk-policy-on-trans-rights/

Sadly this is the first article in the UK media that has recognised the connections between the gender critical ideology movement (GCIM) and religious right orgs (mostly Heritage and the ADF), despite it being recognised and acknowledged by orgs and media in Europe and the US.

"The organisation’s true agenda is, I believe, best described as ‘eliminationist’: seeking through legislative bans, data policies, and the curtailing of gender-affirming care to relegate trans people in life and law to their sex at birth and make transitioning so difficult, dangerous or pointless as to functionally eliminate trans people from public life and society"

Spending time on this forum, it's quite clear that many people in the GCIM are eliminationist in their aims (just a glance at the 'do you support transitioning' thread is very eye-opening in this respect).

Behind the ruling: how ‘Sex Matters’ is shaping UK policy on trans rights

The UK Supreme Court ruling redefined ‘sex’ – but for trans people, it’s the start of something far more sweeping and exclusionary

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/home-affairs/behind-the-ruling-how-sex-matters-is-shaping-uk-policy-on-trans-rights/

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viques · 27/06/2025 17:14

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/06/2025 17:13

I could manage one like this. 😁

I love it when a plan all comes together…..

Plasticwaste · 27/06/2025 20:50

BeeSouriante · 27/06/2025 12:44

How very 'feminist' of you, but given that I've already told you my trans status, a bit redundant.

Have you considered reading the article? It's great that finally we're seeing some scrutiny of anti-trans activism.

Also, obviously I can't respond to eleventy zillion replies..half of which are just crap trolling anyway.

To the poster who say "No there isn't", sorry to burst your bubble, but that's really not your decision to make and given the last WEC meeting, I'm hopeful.

Hi Bee, so would you say you're a feminist?

What do you do to support women's rights?

user101101 · 27/06/2025 21:40

Boiledbeetle · 27/06/2025 16:18

Best I find in the gif drawer!

Great but needs some female characters…?
-gasp- Unless you’re saying they’re….

WithSilverBells · 27/06/2025 22:14

Just increased my Sex Matters subscription. Have opted for the free Sex Matters bag! Thanks again for the reminder @BeeSouriante

KnottyAuty · 27/06/2025 22:28

Greyskybluesky · 27/06/2025 08:45

@BeeSouriante Half the trans friends I have are busily leading normal lives without anyone being able to 'tell'.

You have absolutely ZERO way of knowing that no one can tell because you can't see into people's heads. People are polite/scared/uninterested etc etc.
It's comforting for you/your friends to tell yourselves that, though.

Anyway, what are the other half doing? No...actually, don't answer that.

By that same reasoning I was completely fine with there being a topless calendar on the wall in my first office job. Clue - I wasn't! I never raised it or made a fuss. I left instead and it cost the employer money to replace me (and the other staff members who also left due to the hostile environment created). There are many many parallels with this and your story about your trans friends who apparently have fooled their workmates. No they haven't. The trans lobby have behaved so horribly and coercively, that people are afraid to say anything for fear of losing jobs and friends. Trans people have gone from a position of broad societal acceptance (ignoring the idiots in the street who give everyone trouble) to regular decent people wanting to avoid them. Congrtulations on your idiocy - and I believe this is an indication that women are to be erased rather than trans people: https://x.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1005520600222326785

https://x.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1005520600222326785

TheOccupier · 27/06/2025 22:39

Maaaaaaaate!

GuevarasBeret · 27/06/2025 23:04

KnottyAuty · 27/06/2025 22:28

By that same reasoning I was completely fine with there being a topless calendar on the wall in my first office job. Clue - I wasn't! I never raised it or made a fuss. I left instead and it cost the employer money to replace me (and the other staff members who also left due to the hostile environment created). There are many many parallels with this and your story about your trans friends who apparently have fooled their workmates. No they haven't. The trans lobby have behaved so horribly and coercively, that people are afraid to say anything for fear of losing jobs and friends. Trans people have gone from a position of broad societal acceptance (ignoring the idiots in the street who give everyone trouble) to regular decent people wanting to avoid them. Congrtulations on your idiocy - and I believe this is an indication that women are to be erased rather than trans people: https://x.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1005520600222326785

In a different context I recently reread Vaclac Havels The Power of the Powerless.
I really do see TWAW as a Workers of the Worls, Unite! by the greengrocer type of situation.

As he also said “Live not by Lies”

Annoyedone · 28/06/2025 13:14

@BeeSouriante so if no one can tell your fiends are trans…. How do you know?

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 28/06/2025 13:19

Bylines is little more than a biased blogging platform masquerading as Citizen Journalism, at least where it comes to gender identity ideology and transactivism vs gender critical views and women's rights.

Last October the editor of North East Bylines authored a dismissive Opinion piece about the Let Women Speak event in Morpeth on 13 Oct 2024:

Does ‘Let Women Speak’ speak for all women?
'Let Women Speak' rally in Morpeth last weekend
https://northeastbylines.co.uk/news/politics/does-let-women-speak-speak-for-all-women/

@BecksRose wrote a letter to North East Bylines in reply. She had a bit of a struggle with NE Bylines to get this published but after agreeing to some editorial changes the Editor (who had written the original opinion piece) relented.

Why do we still need to let women speak?
A response to the recent Let Women Speak rally in Morpeth from a women's rights activist

A couple of days later Becks's letter was unpublished and replaced by this text:

"This letter has been removed as it was not consistent with our standards as set out in clause 4.3 of the Impress Code, to not encourage hatred or abuse against any group based on their characteristics."

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/letters/why-do-we-still-need-to-let-women-speak/

I have attached screenshots of Becks's letter so you can judge for yourselves.

Are any of the other publications in the Bylines Network are less biased than Yorkshire and the North East?

ps. Becks is also the author of "Dinosaur Soup":
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5196908-dinosaur-soup-new-gc-whodunnit-novel-by-mumsnetter-becks

Behind the ruling: how ‘Sex Matters’ is shaping UK policy on trans rights
Behind the ruling: how ‘Sex Matters’ is shaping UK policy on trans rights
Behind the ruling: how ‘Sex Matters’ is shaping UK policy on trans rights
Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2025 13:22

Nachoinseachthu · 27/06/2025 01:39

The Yorkshire Bylines starts drawing to a close with:

”Sex Matters is a powerful gender-critical organisation with explicit connections to organisations listed by the SPLC as anti-LGBTQ+ hate groups, actively courted by our mainstream media, and influentially enmeshed within our parliament, legal system and human rights commission.“

… but doesn’t name a single organisation. (Surely the author can’t think a conference host is an explicit connection??)

Also - so much damage is done by people unthinkingly co-opting US organisations and cultural debates and shoehorning them into a UK context - what does the SPLC have to do with anything in this country??

“Years before the Supreme Court ruling, Sex Matters were meeting with the EHRC behind closed doors to discuss a redefinition of ‘sex’ in the Equality Act to mean ‘biological sex’. “

In the context mentioned, a meeting behind closed doors is just…. a meeting.

And what earthly meaning can ‘sex’ have, other than ‘biological sex’? Can’t you see that? Open the definition to anything wider and all that you do is create an inviting space for the confused, the internet-addled, the mentally-ill, those suffering from trauma, and some very bad-faith actors. At the expense of women, and of material fucking reality.

More widely, the energy this is sucking out of the body politic is enervating Western European countries, and undermining any soft power they have with other countries, who either don’t countenance the idea of transgenderism, or use it as a form of gay conversion therapy.

It will counterbalance all the many cosy closed door meetings successive governments held with Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence etc where they were given legally inaccurate, anti women’s rights advice about “trans rights”.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2025 13:26

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 27/06/2025 14:13

And apparently it's 99p on Kindle at the moment!

Cheers, have been meaning to buy and read for ages!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2025 13:33

FlirtsWithRhinos · 27/06/2025 11:39

You know, I've just realised that the "you're all mean" door slam exit is pretty much always a female poster. The male ones prefer to igore the many women who disagree with them, patronisingly thank the few who agree, and continue to post pretentious accusations, pontification and misdirection about their own obsessions and their own navels as if we hadn't read and debunked them a hundred times before.

My guess is that the women are replaying the frustration of feeling like they are being ignored and talked down to and just not being able to find the words to be heard because that's our experience much of the time in society. And the men are just ignoring women's voices in the assumption that whatever he thinks is going to have more authority, because that is his.

(How do I know if a poster is male or female? Because the TRA-side women at some point usually say "I'm a cis woman and I don't feel like you do", mention a lovely friend, then disappear in a cloud of sadness and damp hankies, and the men usually say "I'm a trans woman and I'm here to tell you why you are wrong".)

So I'm betting on Bee hanging around for a while. And if Bee does decide to stop giving us such great opportunities to demonstrate why the TRA-style demands being made on behalf of trans people are so flawed and so damaging, Bee won't do a door slam, Bee will just disappear and tell Beeself we aren't all that so bee wasn't that bothered anyway.

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Haha spot on! 🎯

MoistVonL · 28/06/2025 13:54

Helen Joyce’s comment about “in a sane world there would be no transitioning” is because in an ideal, ‘sane’ world people would love and accept themselves as they are.

That sounds a good thing to me. What about you, @BeeSouriante ?

Wouldn’t it be better for everyone if we could focus on helping people feel happy in their own skin? And not try - through the very damaging medical route puberty blockers, opposite sex hormones and surgery - to reconstruct themselves into something they are not?

Transitioning is something so fragile it apparently needs endless external validation… hell, no. That’s the polar opposite of compassion.

Helen Joyce’s position is not eradication or elimination or any other Final-Solution-esque term TRA are flailing around for.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 29/06/2025 14:14

PermanentTemporary · 27/06/2025 03:17

But that’s not true is it @akkakk. Transitioning is something. It may not be a ‘sex change’ but it’s something. Or nobody would turn a hair if their partner transitioned.

This is why I sometimes (not always) say I’m a TERF but not GC. I do think gender has some meaning. I don’t even always think it’s negative.

Does one have to say that gender has no meaning to be gender critical? Cannot one criticise gender stereotypes and use the shorthand of "gender critical" to mean that?

My personal experience is that, on the whole, women and men tend to have different skillsets. How much of that is biologically or evolutionarily based, and how much is social conditioning, I have no idea. I'm not sure that it matters, provided that we avoid forcing people into roles and behaviour that they are not suited to. I could describe myself as "gender critical", but I'm sure I wouldn't mean exactly the same by that as those with a woman's perspective. And I certainly don't mean the same as some transactivist who thinks that GC means conservative.

So actually, using labels like "GC" about oneself tends to be rather self-defeating, as other people tie misconceptions to the label. And other people can call me whatever they like; the first time someone accused me of being a bigot I was highly offended, but now it's just water off a drake's back. I would smile and ask whether it's a sign of bigotry to shout "bigot" at someone.

JanesLittleGirl · 29/06/2025 15:28

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 29/06/2025 14:14

Does one have to say that gender has no meaning to be gender critical? Cannot one criticise gender stereotypes and use the shorthand of "gender critical" to mean that?

My personal experience is that, on the whole, women and men tend to have different skillsets. How much of that is biologically or evolutionarily based, and how much is social conditioning, I have no idea. I'm not sure that it matters, provided that we avoid forcing people into roles and behaviour that they are not suited to. I could describe myself as "gender critical", but I'm sure I wouldn't mean exactly the same by that as those with a woman's perspective. And I certainly don't mean the same as some transactivist who thinks that GC means conservative.

So actually, using labels like "GC" about oneself tends to be rather self-defeating, as other people tie misconceptions to the label. And other people can call me whatever they like; the first time someone accused me of being a bigot I was highly offended, but now it's just water off a drake's back. I would smile and ask whether it's a sign of bigotry to shout "bigot" at someone.

This is the best explanation of Gender Critical Feminism that I have read:

hollylawford-smith.org/what-is-gender-critical-feminism-and-why-is-everyone-so-mad-about-it/

Holly Lawford-Smith: What is Gender-Critical Feminism? (And why is everyone so mad about it?)

[The text of this video was posted to Medium 2nd September 2020. An edit (adding two sentences) was made 7th September 2020. A further note was added 24th November 2021. Anyone interested in more detail can also consult my book Gender-Critical Feminis...

https://hollylawford-smith.org/what-is-gender-critical-feminism-and-why-is-everyone-so-mad-about-it

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/06/2025 16:27

JanesLittleGirl · 29/06/2025 15:28

This is the best explanation of Gender Critical Feminism that I have read:

hollylawford-smith.org/what-is-gender-critical-feminism-and-why-is-everyone-so-mad-about-it/

That is storming, thank you.

GailBlancheViola · 29/06/2025 17:30

KnottyAuty · 27/06/2025 22:28

By that same reasoning I was completely fine with there being a topless calendar on the wall in my first office job. Clue - I wasn't! I never raised it or made a fuss. I left instead and it cost the employer money to replace me (and the other staff members who also left due to the hostile environment created). There are many many parallels with this and your story about your trans friends who apparently have fooled their workmates. No they haven't. The trans lobby have behaved so horribly and coercively, that people are afraid to say anything for fear of losing jobs and friends. Trans people have gone from a position of broad societal acceptance (ignoring the idiots in the street who give everyone trouble) to regular decent people wanting to avoid them. Congrtulations on your idiocy - and I believe this is an indication that women are to be erased rather than trans people: https://x.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1005520600222326785

Snort, the Law doesn't say so and never did as recently clarified so that little missive from Shon Faye has aged rather badly, oh dear what a shame.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 29/06/2025 23:13

JanesLittleGirl · 29/06/2025 15:28

This is the best explanation of Gender Critical Feminism that I have read:

hollylawford-smith.org/what-is-gender-critical-feminism-and-why-is-everyone-so-mad-about-it/

Thanks. I'm afraid I found it rather heavy going, partly because I don't have a sufficient background in feminism to follow some of it at all easily - a few glances at Spare Rib as a young man and a skim read of The Female Eunuch (which I largely found quite impenetrable!) aren't really adequate. I'm not sure how often "gender critical" is seen as shorthand for Gender Critical Feminist outside feminist circles, though it's interesting to glimpse something of the background to the term.

You may be happy to know that those Spare Rib magazines, though I didn't entirely agree with them, sparked some thoughts in me that have helped me to rethink some of my attitudes, and that has helped me to respect the views of the women here. I certainly see a lot of very clearly articulated opinions here, that actually make sense, as opposed to the incoherence of all the queer theory and gender identity positions I have found.

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