Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html

Yuk.

More vulnerable in male changing rooms or toilets than you believe yourself to be in changing rooms and toilets where young trans people are present.

There's nothing the TRA's won't appropriate.

The immediate next post is about Brianna Ghey! Just to underline the point.

Why would a male be more vulnerable in male spaces than in female spaces, amdif he was, why is that women’s problem to solve? Maybe work in making men more accepting of gnc men. Women are not human shields

I don’t belong to any group - and it is up to me to declare an affinity for myself, not you. I find that so offensive to have labels that don’t fit forced upon me. Just because you voice something it doesn’t make it so.

As I mentioned upthread I have complex feelings around the trans issue and I don’t align with either TRA’s or GC.

Dragging the tragedy of a dead child into the conversation is sinking to the lowest depths.

Particularly when it wasn't deemed to be the major part of the motivation of the crime by both murderers.

"I also have a feeling that our methods for ascertaining gender and the way we think about it will be completely debunked in the near future."

After all these years, you're still conflating "gender" with "sex".

Our methods for ascertaining human sex are very firmly established. There's nothing new to discover, the science is very straightforward.

"Gender", as used by the TRAs, is all about personal fantasy and role-playing. It certainly shouldn't be used by governments and their laws as a method for objectively classifying people.

The TRAs have been told: your "gender" categories are imaginary and don't trump the objectively real category of sex, and sex-based rights. The TRAs have no answer for that, so it's essentially game over.

I don't care. You're using the murder of a child. I imagine many tras will be pleased you don't have an affinity with them.

Your reference to human shields suggests that you do recognise the vulnerability of young trans women in those spaces.

women do not have to act as human shields for young trans women using female toilets as they are generally safer in that space. They can happily be left to do their business, wash their hands and leave - just like you and me.

If they do we'll die out - because we won't know how to breed.

Well they can also do their business in the men’s can’t they? Unless you’re saying men are the problem? In which case, again, not women’s problem. Go and tell men to #bekind.

Everything you say is a personal attack or ascribing labels. Are you ever able to have a conversation with someone without doing that? It’s really alienating and pointless because it just amounts to trading insults. And because you feel justified in doing that with no comeback you act as though you have won the argument. But isn’t that just bullying?

I think about all the goading of christmasmorale that went on upthread. So childish.

These Canadian transwomen look like gentle do their business, wash hands and leave, souls.

I wonder if any of these lovely ladies would be Stephen Fry’s friend.

What does the science say for ascertaining gender

I am entitled to be concerned for young trans women. JK Rowling has helped to empower many people to spread and practise hatred against a vulnerable group. It is only a matter of time before the chickens come home to roost and I look forward to that day. Good night.

ChrismasMorale kept diverting the thread to racism, not to Stephen Fry's comments. And one of the biggest racists in TRA terms was Yaniv, which was conveniently never mentioned by Chris.

So we are all racists rather than a man who sought to drive women out of work.

And I’m entitled to be concerned about women’s single sex spaces. You definitely need a sleep. Your chickens will be up at dawn.

Wow. Did you just say you are looking forward to vulnerable people being being hurt just so you feel you have been proved right about JKR?

I mean, we all know TRAs are secretly gleeful when a trans person is hurt because thankfully it actually happens quite rarely so they need these events to back up their hateful and hurtful narratives, but they don't usually say it out loud.

Isn't number nine Vladimir Putin??? 😁😂

Transwomen no matter their age are all male.

Why are they a vulnerable group? What makes them vulnerable. It seems very patronising to constantly call them vulnerable. Do you pity them for some reason?

Oh cool. So you get to decide which group you belong to, and you can find it offensive to have labels that don't fit forced upon you, and you can reject what someone else voices about you, but women here can't say No to being grouped in with men who claim to be women, and women here are bullies because you say it's so.

Got it. Good to know where we all stand.

It’s Vlademina these days..

Wtf are you on about. Iirc I've posted about nostalgia and Pepe Le Pew. But sure, I'll live with your insults and let the dead rest.

I read the first volume of his autobiography (Moab Is My Washpot) aeons ago and he mentions that as a young boy of 8 at prep school there was a senior boy who basically was a bit innappropriate. Fry always maintains he had a crush on the boy and seems to imply he enjoyed it . But some survivors do feel that way, only later on to consider it very differently. Part of what abuse does is create a trauma bond, it is a mindfuck of confusion especially if the abuser was someone you liked and who you wanted to notice you.I think of that schoolgirl who ran off to to France with her teacher. It's as much sexual assault by as a stranger grabbing you into an alleyway and doing it, but the feelings may be very different.

Well yes. Because older women have seen this shit before. Same sexism, just got a retread. I'm surprised you don't realise that.

This is not just seriously fucking ageist but it misses the point of female single sex spaces.

Female single sex spaces are not a safe haven for vulnerable male people. You are absolutely wrong to believe that female people collectively would consent to a vulnerable male, or any over the age of 8 yrs old, accessing their space.

It doesn’t matter how vulnerable a male person is. There are vulnerable female people who deserve to have spaces where male people are excluded. And your giving away their consent as the have just theoretically done is just you, prioritising male people above female people.

But apparently, is old women should fucking hurry up and leave the world to this supposed new type of woman. Except not one person who makes the assertion that the future is going to accept male people as female people has understood that the more people understand about gender identities, the trajectory has been set that it goes one way. The opposite direction to what those who believe that male people should be accessing female single sex spaces think will happen

Every month or two a significant change happens that causes a paradigm shift. Opposite to you, with documentation, I don’t believe there is any way society will support male people’s demands.

Because it is not an ‘age’ thing. There are plenty of teens and young people who don’t believe or comply with gender identity ideology. But if it makes you feel better to think is ‘old’ women are going to stop existing soon and that the generation who are children now will not come the same understanding in their future, go ahead.

The signs are already there that you will be disappointed.

Why? Because people now understand that there is no scientificly proven basis for gender identity. That it is only a philosophical belief.

And then comes the realisation that no other philosophical belief gives a group of male people additional privileges compared to all other people. And that vulnerable people need better care than simply affirming someone’s identity. And once that realisation happens, and is recorded and documented, why the fuck does anyone think that children today will think any differently to the ‘old’ women who are about to apparently disappear.

That is some fucked up thinking. That a younger generation will be convinced by unfounded conclusions or weak conclusions and convinced by emotionally manipulative strategies and stories.

What the fuck is going to be miraculously proven in the coming decades? A special gene? What? What will be found then that is not known yet?

Or is it just some people thinking that if children are taught falsehoods as children that they will always believe those falsehoods and therefore believe that male people should have access to female single sex provisions. And yet, history has shown that those who think critically as adults are less likely to believe the propaganda taught in childhood.

I hope you can cope with disappointment. As a mother of a teen, I don’t believe that your wish will be true.