Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html

Yuk.

Could we maybe have Jenny Lindsay reading the Harry Potter audio books? Nice Scottish accent, and she's used to performing her poetry:

This is all getting a bit 'Hey Duggee' for me.

The thread has now become homophobic. I’m out.

Haven’t read the whole thread, but does anyone else remember a few years ago when Mr Fry announced he felt so very sorry for heterosexual men for having their sexuality constrained by their attraction to women?

There was quite an uproar and he eventually claimed to have been misquoted, but his views on women were pretty clear even back then.

Where do you think this thread is homophobic dear?

Yeah. He said he felt bad for the poor heterosexual blighters because apparently women don’t like sex very much.

https://mobile.x.com/DrProudman/status/1594471902424477698

Misogynistic and heterophobic. I gave him a pass at the time, it was so idiotic and I love blackadder. I was also a younger. However now I see it’s just a single example in many examples of his highly questionable ramblings.

I agree with every comment you've made here. So sad but true.

Sorry to be ignorant but what's twinks

Young looking boys. Appealing to older men.
😒

Young men above the legal age of consent but with a boyish appearance.

Coupled with the idea that an older boyfriend can help you into the scene, keep you safe, show you the ropes…
In other contexts it would seem predatory.

Yes, I apologise of if I gave the wrong impression. @BeanQuisine is right. Legal. But boyish.

To be fair, an eye for the beauty of boyish young men is harmless in itself and certainly not restricted to Fry-style homosexual men.

Prominent feminist Germaine Greer explored the theme in her book The Boy. One does not need to be a predator to appreciate the erotic appeal of male youth.

The many girls and women attracted to pretty boy bands are not usually censured for their fantasies, and the admiration of older gay men for appealing young men is more often wistful than predatory.

I still think @Christmasmorale is Munroe Bergdorf
All that "white feminists are racists" crap seems very familiar and Bergdorf has recently raised his head again to complain about the SC ruling on Loose Women.

Oh right. That's such a con.

I find big age gap relationships have high risk of being predatory. Straight or gay.

Certainly if we're talking "below the age of consent", but relationships between adults of widely differing ages, as one would expect, are very much a mixed bag.

In my own family, there are a couple of such relationships that have been long-lived and continue to be mutually contented.

But yes, I certainly don't approve of Fry's apparent championing of the "Uranians" who made a cult of relationships between men and adolescent boys, as some kind of exemplary cultural standard.

It's a bit creepy. I had a boyfriend when I was 18 ( he was 21) who thought I was lovely. We split up and I met him for a drink about 3 years later. We stayed in touch over the years as friends. Many years after that he told me that by 21 I'd become self conscious about what I looked like and he didn't like it because i had ' lost that innocence you had '. He went on to marry 3 times and his 2 later marriages were with women 25 and 20 years younger. Imo its a creepy mindset. Its not just about liking beauty. Its about an imbalance of power . Yuck.

Yes. Interesting that Boris “Spaffer” Johnson made similarly disgusting comments & was (rightly) vilified.

But dear old chummbly Jeeves? No no, probably fine!

Such a misogynist.

Still, I’ve seen women on TWix asking if they can get “I Radicalised JKR” T-shirts, like the “I Shot JR” ones of my teenage years. So that might be fun.

Oddly enough that occurred to me too.

We’ve already seen a sob piece that Emma Watson - who afaik is no longer pursuing a career in acting - is “heartbroken” JKR didn’t inform her about the new series.

I mean: why would she?

And: doesn’t Watson read the papers?

So I expect in the run-up to the new series there’ll be a lot of these kinds of non-stories.

There is nothing TRA won’t appropriate: the civil rights movement, the anti-apartheid movement, the suffragettes, the Holocaust, the fight against slavery, gay rights & the fight against AIDS, to name but a few.

And how bizarre on here that Christmasmorale - all exercised about racism - thinks everyone who disagrees with him or her is “a white Mumsnetter”.

Because clearly the cause of men in women’s spaces - or the cause of Stephen Fry bloviating for kudos - is just like Rosa Parks & that bus.

Hmm… talk about assumptions.

i knew that many engaged in this argument were probably older (mention of I Shot JR T shirts were a give-away). I am minded of Germaine Greer’s interview with Louis Theroux when she said that it was time that older people left the young to sort themselves out and stop getting involved in their affairs.

it is the young trans women I worry about, people like Brianna Ghey. I bet if you had met her irl you would not have objected to her using female changing rooms or toilets. I know I wouldn’t because we know how vulnerable she would have been in any other space.

I also have a feeling that our methods for ascertaining gender and the way we think about it will be completely debunked in the near future.

You’d have lost that bet then. Nice âgism and misogyny in one post. Well done.

‘because we know how vulnerable she would have been in any other space’

Why would Brianna Grey have been vulnerable in any other space?