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Absentmindedsmile · 19/06/2025 18:10

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2025 17:08

I don't get why anyone particularly liked him. He's always been utterly insufferable and pious. I've always hated QI with a passion for being utterly pompous.

I am really hoping he gets murdered on Celebrity Traitors first.

I hope they all get murdered on the first night. By one person. And that person is the winner. Then the generally insufferable grandstanding of ‘celebs’ can go home. Maybe we can have another series with normal people, which is fun..

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theDudesmummy · 19/06/2025 18:12

Fry: "I found her charming, funny and interesting and then this thing happened". What does he mean by "this thing"?

TooSquaretobehip · 19/06/2025 18:13

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Brefugee · 19/06/2025 18:13

tell you what @Christmasmorale i wish you'd start a new thread to discuss the injustices or not against Semenya and leave us to discuss Fry here?

Because you are detracting from a conversation that needs to be had about how so many of these public figure misogynists have very very dodgy backgrounds around (too) young people

TooSquaretobehip · 19/06/2025 18:15

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Blinkagain · 19/06/2025 18:15

I think for your sake, you should leave the thread and catch up on some work now your meds have kicked in

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/06/2025 18:15

TooSquaretobehip · 19/06/2025 18:09

She has never targeted anyone that hasn't targeted her. So you are attacking the VICTIM for defending herself.

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So many people are more bothered by her retort than the horrendous attacks she’s retorting to. Misguided is an understatement.

murasaki · 19/06/2025 18:16

theDudesmummy · 19/06/2025 18:12

Fry: "I found her charming, funny and interesting and then this thing happened". What does he mean by "this thing"?

The thing where he didn't get hired as Dumbledore.

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theDudesmummy · 19/06/2025 18:17

murasaki · 19/06/2025 18:16

The thing where he didn't get hired as Dumbledore.

😂

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 19/06/2025 18:30

LimeFinch · 19/06/2025 08:51

Quite right, and well said.

It's fucking cock custard!!!!

UrsulasHerbBag · 19/06/2025 18:32

https://x.com/Jonnywsbell/status/1935696754223264095

here he is in 2015 telling us we had child prostitution in Victorian England and now we have it in Rotherham and Manchester.

This might have been posted but I couldn’t wade through another discussion about Semenya and someone’s racist takes on black women in sports.

PopeJoan2 · 19/06/2025 18:45

javyd · 19/06/2025 09:21

he didn’t get involved because he’s not as fearless as JK

I didn’t get involved either.

i don’t have JK’s resources. It is easy to be fearless when you are so very wealthy and can get away from it all on a superyacht paid for in part by trans men and women who loved her work so much because they thought they saw themselves in it.

nutmeg7 · 19/06/2025 18:46

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 17:43

I have never called any poster on here racist. I have said that white feminists give little to no consideration to the racial issues at play.

I have said many times the discourse needs to be around policies, standardised testing and sex legislation - not eyeballing people and targeting individuals for signs of masculinity based on looks which often leads to harm against minority women.

Unfortunately, in the absence of sex testing, and the gaslighting of anyone who said “that’s a man” about Caster (including by the BBC), the only thing people had left is to look and make judgements on looks and rumours. There is no faith in the system (because there wasn’t a system once they stopped sex testing).

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 18:47

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/06/2025 18:15

So many people are more bothered by her retort than the horrendous attacks she’s retorting to. Misguided is an understatement.

This has been a repeated theme to be honest.

I don’t even think the people who are making false accusations about her reactions to abusive male people understand that they are supporting those abusive male people by directly saying she shouldn’t respond. Or that they wish to control how she responds.

But they all seem to believe that they are the kind and are the thoughtful people while doing it.

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 18:49

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 18:47

This has been a repeated theme to be honest.

I don’t even think the people who are making false accusations about her reactions to abusive male people understand that they are supporting those abusive male people by directly saying she shouldn’t respond. Or that they wish to control how she responds.

But they all seem to believe that they are the kind and are the thoughtful people while doing it.

So an example of attacking an individual is Barbra Banda - to best of my knowledge she hasn't ever said anything to or about JKR.

spannasaurus · 19/06/2025 18:50

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 18:49

So an example of attacking an individual is Barbra Banda - to best of my knowledge she hasn't ever said anything to or about JKR.

Banda is a man who plays on a women's football team

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 18:50

nutmeg7 · 19/06/2025 18:46

Unfortunately, in the absence of sex testing, and the gaslighting of anyone who said “that’s a man” about Caster (including by the BBC), the only thing people had left is to look and make judgements on looks and rumours. There is no faith in the system (because there wasn’t a system once they stopped sex testing).

So that's OK then?

Bunniesnotbullies · 19/06/2025 18:53

Brefugee · 19/06/2025 18:13

tell you what @Christmasmorale i wish you'd start a new thread to discuss the injustices or not against Semenya and leave us to discuss Fry here?

Because you are detracting from a conversation that needs to be had about how so many of these public figure misogynists have very very dodgy backgrounds around (too) young people

Yes, it's really quite obvious that that poster doesn't want a discussion about the subject of the thread. I can't help but wonder why.

Datun · 19/06/2025 18:54

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 17:19

There’s a difference between having a full debate on these forums and JKR using her huge platform to tweet like that without context, and to target individuals. Even if the intended impact isn’t to make white women and men eyeball minority women every time they use a women’s facility, or make comments about the masculinity of a black women’s body, that is the impact of the narrative.

It's not without context, though. It's just without your knowledge of the context

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 18:54

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 18:49

So an example of attacking an individual is Barbra Banda - to best of my knowledge she hasn't ever said anything to or about JKR.

Do you think Banda is not abusive to female athletes in deliberately competing in female sports while knowing that they are male? Even you admitted that they are lowering testosterone, do you understand that no female athlete has to lower their natural testosterone?

Do you think that Banda is abusing female athletes with their decision or not?

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 18:55

Blinkagain · 19/06/2025 18:15

I think for your sake, you should leave the thread and catch up on some work now your meds have kicked in

Unfortunately they kicked in on this thread. Anyone with ADHD will know that was fatal to my chances at productivity today. This thread is now a focus of my meds.

I will try my best to listen to you though because I get absolutely no joy from being called names, accused of racism or have to explain that racism actually exists and is an issue relevant to the DSD debate where it concerns non-minority female athletes. Is this board always like this - so dismissive of other views and lived experiences?

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 18:56

I asked you straight out up thread @Christmasmorale

Do you believe that Semenya and Banda are morally ethical athletes?

If so, why? Because they only took advantage of a loophole so it is all legal?

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 18:57

Bunniesnotbullies · 19/06/2025 18:53

Yes, it's really quite obvious that that poster doesn't want a discussion about the subject of the thread. I can't help but wonder why.

I'm just responding to questions other posters asked of me.

My initial post was about why I agreed somewhat with Stephen Fry. Other posters asked me why. I gave my reasons, and now I'm being asked why I don't want a discussion about the subject of the thread. I'm just answering posts where I can...

Christmasmorale · 19/06/2025 18:58

Helleofabore · 19/06/2025 18:56

I asked you straight out up thread @Christmasmorale

Do you believe that Semenya and Banda are morally ethical athletes?

If so, why? Because they only took advantage of a loophole so it is all legal?

I don;t know them personally. I believe in the legal process. I believe in standardised testing, and until then I refuse to engage in witch hunts and individual attacks.

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