Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html

Yuk.

Should I declare I’m black every time I post on mumsnet? maybe mums net should have some sort of label to identify so that white posters know they are not talking to their type 😳 genuinely have no idea what you are accusing me of

And I said we judge on SKELETAL MAKEUP and male SEX appearance such as skeletal makeup and male jawbones and male anatomy. Not on aesthetics such as 'beauty' standards. At least read what I said HOURS AGO!

Semanya has masculine features because he is a man. This is nothing to do with any beauty standards.

Ummm...... I was responding to someone who said you mentioned it in your first post.

At least try and use comprehension.

So you think saying that I don’t care about racism is not you saying I am racist? While in the midst of a discussion about ‘white’ feminism?

Do you begin to understand how people might miscontrue this and that you are now showing that you have double standards? And that you may have applied those to JK Rowling?

Now, again I ask you for about the fourth or fifth time, what words exactly can women use to have this discussion that doesn’t offend you?

Are you saying you can't tell the difference between a man and a woman by using your eyes?

The only person who brought race into this is you.

The only person calling a black man a woman is you.

Who was responding to you saying that my blackness wasn’t convincing…

JKR has become hardened over the years from what was originally a thoughtful, nuanced and courageous position.

And you blame her?!??? After YEARS of vile abuse, RAPE threats, and death threats? FFS, you really blame her?!???????

You are not GC. You never were. Stop the pretence. You must think we're stupid.

Fry here talking about child prostitutes in victorian times and about how we still have child prostitutes in current times with the examples given being Rotherham and Manchester

https://x.com/Jonnywsbell/status/1935696754223264095

Oh FFS, you really cannot read, can you? NO ONE said anything about your 'blackness not being convincing'.

@Christmasmorale once again I ask.

Who on here or in GC circles more generally has said a black woman looks like a man?

I take it that today has been a WFH day @Christmasmorale ?

Yes this.

God this is so tiresome... I feel like I've gone back in time 5 years with this same old crap being peddled over and over...

yes I’ve had an I-hate-ADHD day 😭 it sucks 😔

And no one has done that on this thread.

We have pointed out clearly that we are identifying correctly a masculinised body. We even posted information about how male body cues are different to female body cues. Did you read any of it?

It is not about beauty standards. It is not about looks.

If you need feminists to use language you don’t find offensive, the thread is open to you? Do you need another poster to ask you because I don’t speak in a way that is appropriate enough for you to respond ?

Barbra Banda is also male with 5ARD.

Do you think feminists should not call out males because they're black? Because that is exactly what you're saying.

Do you think being sent violent threats on a daily basis could possibly explain the “hardened” approach?

and why the hell shouldn’t she she take a hardline approach? Why are women always expected to #bekind ?

Caster is a male because he was raised as male from all accounts and all photos.

A woman is an adult human female. A male with a cock and nutsack who fathers children with his own sperm is not a woman.

(I've been absent for a few hours so am catching up with prior posts)

Instead you’ve spent the day in a spat and saying things like I said people accuse black people of looking masculine or having masculine features because of beauty standards rooted in white supremacy. which is a concern that I have never even heard about in any discussion around race let alone someone actually say that they think that

who are these “people”? @Christmasmorale

That is the messaging that I am getting here.

And the lack of providing us with the acceptable language is signalling to me that there is NO WAY any feminist can discuss this without being racist. All because someone cannot accept that correctly identifying a male body has nothing to do with beauty standards. But also because beauty standards were referred to by racist people in the past that means no one can discuss male body cues without offending others.

No one is 'assigned' a sex at birth.

It is not physically possible for a woman to have even 10 percent the level of testosterone that a male has. If Banda has high testosterone, it's because he's a MALE.

She was assigned female at birth

by whom?

You think a man who was socialised as a woman is a woman so nobody with any brains will listen to anything you have to say about being GC. It's the complete antithesis to the premise of GC.

But go on, then, O Nuanced One. What has JKR said since 2020 that contradicts the position you claim to admire, even though you can't possibly share it if you think wearing dresses as a kid makes Semenya a woman? How has her position changed?

That's very interesting. Thanks.

She has never targeted anyone that hasn't targeted her. So you are attacking the VICTIM for defending herself.