Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html

Yuk.

'Gender' doesn't exist. Only sex exists. And HE was brought up male, is male, and ejaculated as a male and fathered children as a male.

Please stop calling HIM 'her'. You are being disrespectful and deceitful.

There was nothing racist in the approach of HIS case. You are the one being racist here, because you think he looks like a male.

Plus the fact that he has fathered children. I think that's a bit of a giveaway?

Can we get back on topic. We were just discussing Steven Fry's dubious appreciation of certain men throughout history.

I'd hate for that to be lost in the middle of a conversation about Caster who is male and has always been male.

Then stop being racist because you think black people look masculine, and stop calling a male who was brought up as a male and who ejaculated and fathered children with his penis and his nuts 'she'.

To say that Semenya experienced racism isn’t controversial.

Even ignoring the fact she identifies as a women, statistically we know that black men are given longer sentences for the same crime, black women are four times more likely to die in childbirth, black people are more likely to be stopped and searched by police, black patients are less likely to be given pain relief for the same conditions as their white counterparts. The public humiliation Semenya endured and handling of her case was rooted in racism, and there were many racist comments at the time. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn’t make it untrue.

Please read up on biological FACTS, not the MISOGYNIST invention of 'intersectionality'.

When did I say black people look masculine? Those are your words.

I reckon it will take quite a lot longer than 100 years of evolution for the binary nature of all mammals , the large and small gametes associated with female and male mammals that determine how sexual reproduction in mammals occurs, the skeletal difference in male and female human bodies, and the clearly identifiable chromosomal structure of the human genome that shows how our dna is inherited from our male and female parents to change our understanding of what makes a person either male or female.

But hey, who knows, maybe the suggestion that there are male and female brains - and of course assuming the male/ female brain thing overrides all the physiological stuff, and then trumps all that well documented evolutionary science - means we can happily abandon pronouns forever.

But let’s start with the easy stuff.

Sex in mammals is binary. Sex is fixed ,you can’t change it.

Gender is a social concept, gender is not sex, gender is not interchangeable with sex.

So, Semenya was subject to misogyny even though Semenya IS male and was rightfully identified as male by people using the visual cues of masculinisation?

But just by women noticing that Semenya is male, and discussing it using precise and accurate language, women are showing that they don’t care about racism as you accused me of earlier? Although YOU apparently can care about two things but in our discussion correcting misinformation, we cannot and are worthy of your accusations of racism.

And you won’t then give us the language that we CAN use so as not to be offensive to you.

Have I interpreted your posts correctly now?

How was the handling of Semenya’s case rooted in racism please?

AGAIN, please stop saying 'her'. He is a male with a cock and balls who fathered children and married his wife in a country that hadn't had gay marriage. He identifies, numerous times in interviews, as a MAN. Please respect that.

The public humiliation Semenya endured and handling of her case was rooted in racism

WRONG! It was rooted in the fact he was demonstrably MALE. And that had nothing to do with his 'non-feminine looks'. If anything, he was protected and lauded, and got off far too easily.

Just because the facts that he was not held accountable makes you uncomfortable, does not make your hateful racism true.

Those are your words in your posts. You stated a few times you think he looked non-feminine and you linked looks to race.

At least own what you said.

I'd hate for that to be lost in the middle of a conversation about Caster

I'm sure Christmas knows that. Deflection, obfuscation, absurdity, projection, arrant nonsense.

All this because JKR tweets that she can tell the difference between a man and a woman by using her eyes? 😬

I have never called any poster on here racist. I have said that white feminists give little to no consideration to the racial issues at play.

I have said many times the discourse needs to be around policies, standardised testing and sex legislation - not eyeballing people and targeting individuals for signs of masculinity based on looks which often leads to harm against minority women.

What white feminist on here or anywhere else do you think targeted these men based on looks?

All this because I agree with Steven Fry that JKR has become hardened over the years from what was originally a thoughtful, nuanced and courageous position.

The quoted comment is just one example of where I as a GC women do not align with JKRs views but there are many more aspects of her approach I disagree with

What does cause harm to minority women is losing out on medals due to men competing against them.

WRONG!!! I just check and they posted 3 posts on the first page alone and NEVER ONCE said they were black. I haven't even checked page 2 onwards.

You don't get to plant the seed that I am lying when YOU are! Check your facts before you mouth off and embarrass yourself.

I said people accuse black people of looking masculine or having masculine features because of beauty standards rooted in white supremacy. At least read what I’m saying.

Can we just be clear that JKR made zero comments about Khelif until after he had failed two sex eligibility tests.

The first thing TRA said when maya Forstater won her case was 'women have the right to hold GC opinions, but not the right to express them'.

Its the same argument Fry holds, JKR has the right to hold an opinion, but not the right to express them in a way fry disapproves of.

Is it about men expecting women to be mothers and make sure everybody is happy before we think of our own needs?

Who had done this?

HE. The fact that you continue to mis-sex a male who admits he is male, identifies as a male, and fathered a child with his cock and balls shows how disingenuous you are.

The racism, is on you. And Semenya had such an easy time with it with people going kid gloves on him so it makes your disgusting accusations even more hypocritical and galling.