Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

[Absentmindedsmile]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html

Yuk.

No. Do you campaign for them? Not 'advocate'.

"This is a discourse that by its nature should be had without attacking and referring to individual cases. The case for equal treatment of all athletes regardless of sex or race would avoid the current situation."

There is no way possible for this discourse to be had without referring to individual cases. You call that attacking, but that again is just your judgemental opinion.

"The cheek swab tests are more advanced and provide conclusive results compared with previous the sex testing that was abolished."

So, what? The ideological motivation for removing sex testing is still being used. The tests at the time were accurate. Your pivot here is irrelevant.

No it isn’t a “private medical matter” when men are competing in the female category.

In that case Banda should remove himself from women’s sport and have his private conversation. Until he does that, we can talk about his sex as long as he keeps stealing awards meant for women and organisations like the BBC keep giving them to him.

Well obviously you can be right if you completely make things up. We're having a debate about actual people who have said and done stuff.

If you don't want your medical information to be public, don't go onto the world stage pretending to be a woman when you aren't one.

(They all knew. Don't be naive)

NO FEMALE SPORTS PERSON IS REQUIRED TO REDUCE THEIR NATURAL TESTOSTERONE LEVEL!

I'm logging off now as against my better judgment I have wasted yet more time trying to get mumsnet to have the viewpoint of a black women - yet here I am being accused of not truly caring about black women.

As much as I love being whitesplained to, I can't be bothered with sharing my black perspective on a predominantly white forum. Any time race comes up on mumsnet, the conversation is incredibly dismissive.

It’s got nothing to do with any of that. You are wrong about Semenya, Khelif and Banda.

Advocating for black men to be in women’s sport doesn’t seem to be a good way of caring for black women. Black women have lost medals, places, positions on the team and money to those black men.

I agree. I thought he was dreadful in that part, totally miscast.

You have been spreading a great deal of misinformation on this thread.

You are the only one arguing that black men are in fact black women.

The only reason we need sex testing in sports is because without it, male athletes will find a way to participate in the female category, and sporting bodies will find ways to enable and encourage them.

If they didn't do this, we wouldn't need to sex test. But they do. So here we are.

It's the same reason athletes have their urine and blood tested every five minutes.

Here is a gay man who is Gender Critical

Author John Boyne: ‘I agree with JK Rowling, but if I didn’t, I would just keep my mouth shut’ | Irish Independent

Who would you most like to go for a pint with?
In the last year, I have been out for a pint with two people who I never imagined I would go for drinks with: Kate Bush and JK Rowling. My favourite actor is Anthony Hopkins, so probably him to talk about his films.
JK Rowling has been the topic of much discourse for her opinion on trans people. Do you think it’s important to separate the art from the artist?
We are very good at this for people who are dead. We ignore all of the things Picasso did. It’s only contemporary people we judge in this way. I believe that people are completely incorrect in the way they speak about JK Rowling. There are enough people out there who are going to criticise you, without other writers doing it. We should have each other’s backs. In my case, I do agree with her, but if I didn’t, I would just keep my mouth shut.

Exactly, and now the inevitable flounce.

yes and black female athletes have complained about it and been told to shut up because male
athletes are more important than women’s.

There's nothing private about your sex when you wish to enter a sex specific space. He was competing as a woman, it's in the public interest, as well as the interests of fairness and safety, that people know he isn't a woman.

And the sex testing isn't in question either. We can test for sex. It's a simple one off cheek swab. You're pretending it's complicated and needs lots of deflective discussion. It isn't and it doesn't.

I thought at first that we were seeing arguments from ten years ago being lazily recycled. But now I think we are just seeing a very clumsy and dishonest attempt to continue to push the "if you let black women into female spaces then there's no reason not to let men in too" thing, while trying to deny that that's a racist position and indeed accuse people of racism themselves if they say that a certain black man isn't a woman.

Whatever it is, it's utter obfuscatory, deflective nonsense.

Genuine question, what nuance are you looking for?

What are the rights that you think trans people don’t have?

Even JKR would agree with me that a woman is not defined by looks

Correct, it’s defined by sex. Banda and Semenya are men. Males. The sex that produces small mobile gametes.

If either of those athletes wanted (understandably) to keep their medical status private, they shouldn’t have decided to compete in sports competitions for the opposite sex. As soon as they do that, they are the ones bringing their sex and DSDs into the public domain.

Stephen fry has been irrelevant for quite a while.

he comes from a very privileged background; is not actually that clever (he was not writing QI script many people are confused by this); is a convicted fraudster;
has dubious friends (Neil Gaiman)…

PP likened him to clarkson; if you actually read Jeremy clarkson writing or watch any of his shows he is balanced, reasoned and self deprecating. He just is very open with his opinions.

Now now, Christmas is trying to be racist by saying that all black women think the same. Don't go bringing facts in to play.

Caster is male. Are you saying as a black women that you know black women are not discernible from black men?

What black woman in the public eye looks like Caster?

indeed this is true.

For example:

Janeth Jepkosgei. Should be a triple world champion with 3 gold medals for the women’s 800m. Instead she has one gold, then two silver after Semenya entered that distance.

A black woman whose success was stolen by a black man. And people are still cheering this on 15 years later. And JKR is the bad guy somehow 🙄

I am just going to repeat this so maybe readers will understand exactly how using language that is demanded by those who consider themselves women but are male people cause great harm to all women and girls.

NO FEMALE SPORTS PERSON IS REQUIRED TO REDUCE THEIR NATURAL TESTOSTERONE LEVEL!

And yet, on threads repeatedly we see comments like a poster has made on this thread. That a female athlete has to suppress their 'natural' level of testosterone. This is misinformation and it is fucking harmful.

The ONLY athletes who have to REDUCE their testosterone levels are male athletes. And yet, we are demonised for discussing them in correct sex terms.

Please stop the spread of misinformation.