Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html

Yuk.

Glad that you welcome cheek swab sex testing, which would be carried out on all athletes and has nothing to do with looks. You do, don't you?

He says goady crap but he also seems so very thin skinned and desperate to be liked, so I wonder if we'll get a wobbly whiny back track.

Feminists failing to have any sort of nuanced discussion on feminism ...

I think you are mixing in a different issue here completely and trying to make a blunt argument that doesn’t work.

What could be legitimately argued is that there are regions in the world where DSDs were not tested early. Likely due to lack of budget and access to technology. This means those athletes are likely to have a higher representation in sport.

This then leads to them being identified when they are in events. Not because of beauty standards. Because they have masculinised bodies and performance.

I was on a TV show with him. I did not warm to him.

I read that definition in one of those 'fun' books of cultural observations that people buy for people they don't know well. It was many years ago, but I think it's been subsequently claimed by others

My understanding is that it's also the case that in some countries, scouts are looking for boys with female paperwork in order to funnel them in to female sports, because it's an effective way to win medals when there isn't the money for the sophisticated training programmes (and cheating methods) available elsewhere.

You are either misunderstanding or deliberately misreading the point.

There is indeed a narrow ideology at work here, and it's alive and well on MN. And no, it is not feminism, despite the desperate attempts by many to claim it is.

Interesting to get clarification on how MN banning works, though; thanks.

This. The lowest kind of people, in my opinion.

The Keir Starmer of comedy

Are you Stephen Fry ?

Nailed it.

It sure sounds like a pedantic, grandiose narcissist.

I just asked my teen son if he knows who Stephen Fry is. Nope. Then I asked him if he knows JKR. He looked at me like I’m bonkers.
“Yeah mum, I know who JKR is- I live in the world.”
Maybe Stephen is salty that he’s not really that relevant anymore to the next generation?

Be fair. Even Mr Fry would have been embarrassed by that half arsed list of 'talking points' with references that didn't support them plopped by Finchy on the other thread.

That's factually incorrect. She was assigned female at birth and raised as a girl. Multiple sources confirm this.

While I do not agree that biological males should compete with biological females - there are a lot of grey areas in the human sex anatomy which leads to grey areas in the discourse. These need to be discussed with the nuance and racial as well as cultural sensitivity.

The fact that most posters on here refuse to see this just further justifies my belief that feminism as discussed on here is also equated to white womanhood.

He's a great example of the Very Clever Idiot phenomenon, isn't he? People who are intelligent on a theoretical level but can't understand or connect on a human or emotional level. He, Emma Thompson and Sandi Toksvig were all at Cambridge together and have all put the fetishistic feelings of a few men above the comfort, ease and dignity of women. Misogynistic, entitled idiots, all of them.

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universally beloved by thinking human beings

Oh dear. I had always thought I was a thinking human being, but I've never been all that keen on SF, so presumably I'm not. Had not realised the horrific consequences of my preferences.

Are you Stephen Fry ?

No, they're Stephen Fry's partner/ agent/ PA and they're in a panic in case the gravy train gets derailed.

What is your point? Of course I would welcome equality of cheek swabs rather than a system that further entrenches racism and race discrimination.

Do you agree that the 'grey areas in human sex anatomy' you mention have been exploited in order to slip male athletes into female categories where they don't belong, and that this is wrong for all the athletes involved?

Ironically some of the Stephen Fry fans on this board don't seem to have read Mr Fry's actual words, which are;
''Sir Stephen, who is himself gay, said: 'She has been radicalised I fear and it may be she has been radicalised by TERFs, but also by the vitriol that is thrown at her. ''

Personally, I think its the same tired old 'both sides' bollocks, and I note he doesn't explain how anyone can be 'radicalised' into believing there are two sexes and humans cant change sex, but one side relies on facts and the other side relies on social approval and this is the outcome.

As I said, I'm glad you welcome testing for all athletes. Are you trying to be argumentative Chris?

You are so behind on this. Read some Dr Emma Hilton.

Again, you are the only person here arguing that a certified man is in fact a black woman.

How much of a grey area is it when you can use your sperm to father a child?