Stephen Fry - What a repulsive, condescending misogynistic turd

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14820209/Harry-Potter-narrator-Stephen-Fry-turns-JK-Rowling-TERFs.html

Yuk.

Laurel Hubbard, the intact white man who competed in women's Olympics weightlifting, taking opportunities from native Maori women.

And would have used fewer words. For convenience.

It matters what black women look like because gender testing is not standardised in athletics, but only done on looks. So once someone is deemed to look like a man, and is called out on it, they are tested. This leads to discrimination based on what the world deems a women looks like. Black women being the victim of may accussations of manliness (just go on twitter and look at comments on posts about Serena Williams and Michelle Obama to see)

Why do you think there's so much support for Caster from black women. Her sex is irrelevant to the wider discussion on inequality and racism within these systems.

I'm certainly against the trans-hate-cult, assuming you mean the activists and allies who demonstrate their hatred of women's rights daily. On the other hand, people who identify as trans can be lovely people, albeit somewhat confused about sex and gender.

I think he just that old fashioned public school boy view of women.

If he had fallen out with man he would have likely said why, what that man had said that he found contentious but with a woman he just expresses moral disapproval.

I agree, but it's not. So my point stands and I'm not sure why others are refusing to see the discrimination and racism that suggests these discussions need to be more nuanced than they are. There are many victims of these systems, not just biological women

Well given that the majority on here want sex testing for all in female sports, that pretty much undermines your whole argument.

I have always thought of Stephen Fry as well read but not very intelligent.
Unfortunately it's a persistent relic of the British class system that a posh voice = a definite fact.
This is backed up by media organisations like the BBC
I hate the way that SF resorts to demeaning comments just because someone holds a different opinion to him or presents a better argument.
Hardly a glowing enforcement of "British values" in the 21st century.
A truly intelligent person would argue their case without resort to personal insults and accept (albeit reluctantly) that other people may have different perspectives.
Notice how the race activists have jumped in on this thread too. Being white and having an opinion doesn't make you racist or "privileged"
What on earth has happened to the idea of discussing things without dragging out every historical clique?

Caster was raised as a boy. That's been confirmed.

And again with the 'hysteria' slur. You couldn't make it more obvious you have a deep hatred of women if you so desperately tried.

Excellent post.

IIRC the thing about "vaginas being disgusting" was linked to having first come across one leaving his mother's womb. Which is jaw droppingly shocking.

But by the time Semenya started racing in the female category, having been through puberty and had not a single sign of female puberty - no breast development, no periods - Semenya would have known he was male, yes? He did not discover this on the day it hit the press. Semenya was selected to race in the female category BECAUSE he is male. A female athlete could have been chosen. Instead, a decision was made to put forward a male athlete instead. This idea that no-one had a clue, that it wasn't deliberate, that the only reason anyone complained is because of Semenya's race, is a pathetic attempt to use an accusation of racism to shame people so that they'll be too afraid to point out that it is cheating.

We do want sex testing. But we're talking about discourse on the topic in the present, not in a fantasy situation that doesn't yet exist.

It's like saying your argument is undermined because we all want biological women's spaces to be protected. Completely illogical.

Also you're the only one here arguing that a black man is in fact a woman. Let that sink in...

It's not based on looks such as 'masculine vs feminine' looks. It's based on skeletal structure and male tells. This has been explained to you.

We know that some black women often support people from their own race instinctively. It doesn't say anything other than that.

Some women who do sports at elite level and don't have periods until they stop.

Stephen Fry is a bit stuck, I think. He's built his career on his intelligence. He's Mr QI. And yet he fell for an ideology someone with no education at all could see through. As KJK said, "I'm not a vet but I know what a dog is". Everyday people without his education could see the emperor had no clothes.

I do believe Fry has caught up to that at last. Hence the Triggernometry appearance and all the faffing about, implying being kind is more important than being right. He knows he'll look a fool if he continues to blindly parrot the TWAW party line. But his ego won't allow him to take the final step of humbling himself. He can't say, "I'm sorry, I was wrong and I was stupid". That'd be unthinkable to him. Complete ego death. Unfortunately for him, most of us (women in particular) are so sick of his shit, that humility is his only real shot at forgiveness.

If memory serves, Fry also personally funded a young women's double mastectomy. He has to believe trans and trans surgeries are in some way justified, because it brings up really uncomfortable moral questions if he doesn't.

There used to be testing at the Olympics at least which was abolished against the wishes of the majority of female athletes. You need to take your ire to the people (men mostly) who made that decision.

Your point doesn’t stand, it’s a complete non sequitur.

It matters what black women look like because gender testing is not standardised in athletics, but only done on looks.

You have got to be taking the piss now, surely. Time was when athletes were indeed tested for their sex, it's a simple one off cheek swab. It was scrapped after pressure from activists wanting men in women's sports, against the wishes of a large majority of female athletes. And it can be reintroduced just as easily, and women's rights activists including Sharron Davies, who took a sex test when she was competing in her youth, have been calling for this for YEARS.

Did you seriously not know this? I'm not sure you can be for real with the stuff you're coming out with.

They were included under the Trans rules.
They didn’t say they were female, just that they have the right to compete as women, because they had transitioned.

Caster, Imane and Ling said that they were female which was incorrect. If they had been born situations that had good health resources they would have been brought up as boys.

"Cis" does align with a narrow ideology. Nothing on MN is completely banned, the moderators try to take context into account, and in any case posts are not deleted if no-one has reported them.

I once read/heard SF described as a stupid person’s idea of an intelligent person and that seemed to fit him.
I dislike the man a lot.

Yeah I know, it was tongue in cheek 😜

That's due to low body fat, not because they're male.

Off topic of Stephan Fry but isn’t that why mandatory testing is a good thing?
Anyway I suspect that there are fewer white intersex athletes because they are usually in countries with better healthcare and picked up and diagnosed earlier and so don’t go on to compete. However in a lot of countries sport is a way out of poverty, so there is an incentive to not test. I think all of the intersex athletes are from developing countries. First world have a lot PCOS affected individuals or in the past drug use which was called out at the time.