Do you ever feel wrong about being gender critical? Plus poll on political view.

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I know I'm making a lot of threads but TRA ideology is so widespread that it makes me question if there's something I'm missing sometimes. I also added a poll. I understand viewpoints are more complicated than being X or Y, but it's just to get a rough idea of mumsnet mindsets. Thank you.

Political leaning aren't a single straight line spectrum. The opposite of Conservative isn't Liberal it's Socialist. The opposite of Liberal isn't Conservative it's Authoritarian. There are Authoritarian parties on both left and right (eg the Green party is quite Socialist but extremely Authoritarian)

What's weird is the way that that the Liberal Democrats are so illiberal on the topic of trans ideology - absolutely no deviation from required beliefs, really Authoritarian on that issue.

How do you match up voting with views. How can you be certain you won't get an influx of people deliberately voting a certain way to try to portray mumsnet members as something they are not?

No, I don't think I'm wrong about being gender critical.

Didn't vote in the poll because I don't think I fit in either box.

I think your categories are wrong. I have no doubts whatsoever.

I originally came to FWR because I was sure I was missing something. I read a lot and still thought somewhere, someone could make the TRA side make sense, and not be the misogynistic illogical position it seems to be.

I've barely seen a single person on the 'other side' who's willing to even try and explain their thinking, and the total lack of critical thinking and instant resort to insults and threats only reinforces that I'm right to think that sex is real and sometimes it matters.

The best take I can come up with is that 'society is sexist - even though we shouldn't treat men and women differently in normal life and make assumptions about them, people do, so I'd rather the assumptions they made about me were ones based on male/female stereotypes rather than the opposite. Therefore I will try and make people think I'm the opposite sex'.

Time was that everyone was proud to criticise gender and its boxes. Apparently now that's wrong.

Can't vote as I'm not either of those options, I'm very left leaning. Sex is real, sometimes important and immutable. That can't change and isn't wrong.

No. I'm in serious favour of one objective reality and of equality. Actual equality, involving everybody, including the ones you don't like and don't agree with, and who vote 'wrong'. And quite into child safeguarding, not abusing women and homosexuals, not removing women's pregnancy rights, stuff like that.

There is no box to tick on the poll for 'absolutely none of any of this shower'. I am politically homeless.

I didn't consider that, but I also figure people can drop below and actually post what they voted as if that makes sense.

I spoiled my ballot paper.

Left thanks for asking

Liberal as a meaning is difficult because a lot of people who call themselves liberal now are signed up to a list of set values - that's not liberalism. That's authoritarian virtue signalling.
Then you have economic liberalism, sexual liberalism. And various definitions.

Liberalism as in liberal democracy is essential a pragmatic consensus building which relies on debate and engagement with a broad section of the voting public. It is possible to have an issue which comes to a conservative consensus within a liberal democracy.

You need to nail down what people understand when they vote or your vote is meaningless because you don't know what you are quantifying.

I would call myself a believer in liberalism (as in liberal democracy) but absolutely not a liberal in the sense of how many members of the Democratic Party or the LDs might define this.

I never feel wrong in being GC.

I know that I am 100% right with my sex realist views.

I think you mean socially conservative rather than politically, yes? Anyway, I haven’t voted.

What does the poll refer to in this context? I’m not following the connection you’re looking for

Are you US based, OP?

The UK doesn't really use the term 'liberal' so much in terms of political leanings.

I'm just curious how do people here see themselves in a political sense. Gun to your head if you had to pick a side, where do you think you fall in general (outside of gender related issues).

Politically homeless as I'm liberal by nature but this shower of shit that goes by that name are not my brand of liberals.

Live and let live, dress however you want, date whoever you want but if you are male you will always be male and females need spaces away from biological males when appropriate. Females need accommodation and support in a world built around men. Women need to be acknowledged as different to men, different body frame, different medical needs etc. Different but not lesser than.

I'm a communist. Where is my answer? Liberal and Conservative are rubbish categories.

Is this A-level homework?

Weren’t the communist party lambasted for being GC?

At any rate, it’s really funny you posted this as it’s a very similar conversation DP and I had last night. While he agrees with the view, he thinks being GC is a ‘right wing’ view. I argue that it’s not any ‘ side’ view, anymore than flat earther is any particularly wing. It’s just factual and should have no ‘side’ - I know sex is real in the same way I know gravity is real. I’m not wrong and don’t doubt myself.

In terms of views - I was actually very, very liberal (do whatever you want in a democratic society) as a teenager but I’m a lot more socialist with age.

'Do you ever feel wrong about being gender critical?'

No. Sex is immutable and dichotomous. For a few years, I did think that I must surely be missing some deep truth, but I've come to realise that the more one digs, the shallower the hole gets.

'Gender' is merely sex stereotypes. Long hair and pink for girls, etc. It's bullshit.

No, I never feel wrong about rejecting the harmful, oppressive, and reductive stereotypes bundled together as 'gender', that are used to justify misogyny and homophobia.

When I do the 'political compass' test I come out in the left wing liberal quadrant.

this test: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Do I ever feel wrong about being GC? Nope because I’m acquainted with reality

I can’t vote because liberal means what exactly? Communist? Socialist? Centre left? Liberal socially but conservative fiscally? I’ve no idea

I do feel bad about being gender critical sometimes. I would really like for everyone to be able to do as they please and be happy. But the world is just not like that and I can't in good conscience elevate men's desires over women's needs, even though it doesn't personally affect me.

Not sure where I fall politically. I would identify as liberal but not left leaning.

So did I.

I do consider myself liberal…just a logical one.

The voting options don’t really work so I haven’t voted. The left have gone so far left these days, that they’re on the right. None of it is easy or accurate to label anymore.

On the sex realist (more accurate wording than gender critical) question my answer is no. Categorically no. It’s not about being right or wrong. It’s about scientific fact. The scientific fact is that there are biological men and biological women. Both can present how they like. But neither can turn into the other. Ever.