Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

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I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

Well, you can predict what you like. Sounds highly unlikely to me.

What's this 'unreasonable and untenable rule', that women have rights to.single sex spaces?!

"Look what you made us do. If you don't let men in the women's loos we will try to bully employers into an utterly impractical and inefficient change to having all single user rooms, and then everyone will be cross."

They won't succeed of course. There just aren't the resources or the space, and landlords won't be on board. In practice I suspect what will happen is if the accessible facilities are under-utilised, that will be used, and if not a store cupboard or similar will be adapted to make an additional single user facility.

Accessibility for disabled users does not mean all toilets need to be accessible, just a number proportional to the number who need it. Accessibility for people who feel unable to share with their own sex does not mean all loos need to be unisex, just a number proportional to the number who need it.

And I still don’t understand how, without sex segregation, ‘cis’ men are being excluded from anywhere.

How do you define somebody else’s gender?

What would Tandora be losing?

I mean, what is "reasonable" is a matter of opinion, unless it is defined somewhere in law, in which case your opinion doesn't really matter.

And in law it is expressly acknowledged that there are certain circumstances in which it is reasonable for women to object to the presence of the opposite sex.

Specifically, in the Equality Act.

Some men think it is unreasonable that they aren't allowed to rape their wife or look at images of child sexual abuse. But their views about whether it is reasonable or not are irrelevant, because the law disagrees.

If anyone hasn't read the EHRC's response to the Good Laugh lot, do have a read. Trying to present this as any sort of capitulation is a joke:

goodlawproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/2025.06.13-REDACTED-Response-to-Letter-of-Claim-1.pdf

Letting men use womens toilets cost service providers and employers nothing. They saw it as an easy win they got to pat themselves on the back for being good trans allies at no financial cost

Removing existing communal single sex toilets and replacing them with single user toilets is expensive. Even for a bew build installing communal toilets is cheaper than singer user toilets.

I don't believe there will be a wholesale replacement of communal toilets with single user toilets due to costs.

My daughter’s school toilets are cubicles but with shared sinks down the middle? Are these now not ok? Sorry to jump on

No the sink and toilet must both be in a lockable room for it to be considered a single user toilet. The set up you describe should be single sex.

That does not count as a single user loo. Everything must be in one lockable area - loo and basin.

This might be useful:
Toilets in schools - childlawadvice.org.uk

There is no threat to the ability to identify you as female in law

The unreasonable and untenable bit is the bit where trans people are forced to use facilities according to their birth sex and excluded from using facilities in accordance with their legal gender.
It’s unreasonable and untenable because of its devastating impact on trans people and also its impossible to enforce without broader harmful impacts.

According to the law, it is reasonable.

It is reasonable because the world does not revolve around trans people, and most normal people including all actual feminists believe that the impact on women is relevant.

Other than the fact that female would no longer actually mean anything, you mean?

Are they mixed sex? If so, they're not legal and never have been.

what are you trying to say? Trans people don’t understand what it is to be trans therefore… being trans is made up?

Perfect demonstration of the issue which is ignorance and prejudice within the public concerning what it is to be trans.

Why should women's rights be conditional on "what it means to be trans", Tandora?

Boys use one side and girls the other

the world does not revolve around trans people, and most normal people

I struggle to understand how people write these types of statements and hear themselves as being reasonable

excluded from using facilities in accordance with their legal gender.

Tandora that is simply false.
All toilets are for all genders. They are differentiated by sex, not gender.

I see you are having trouble understanding this. Do you believe that sex and gender are the same thing?

If you're not sure about it all, don't feel you need to answer. I understand it's confusing for people who haven't given much thought to it.

Tandora which genders do you personally believe accord with female toilets? Let's start there so we can see where your confusion has come from.

Well if you actually finished the sentence, it would be obvious.

Clearly, the majority of people who are not so ideologically captured that they are incapable of seeing anything from any perspective other than that of trans rights what trans people want and need would also think it is fair to take into consideration what women want and need.

Because, you know, women are people too? Because we matter? Because our wants and needs are not less important than trans people's?

Funny kind of "feminist" you are, if you don't agree that women's needs should be taken into account.

Quite.

Trans people are not excluded from toilets for their gender identity, because toilets for their gender identity do not exist.

If they believe such a thing should exist, they are welcome to campaign for that.

What they are in fact being excluded from is toilets for the opposite sex. Everyone is excluded from toilets for the opposite sex.

I don't think my eyes could roll further back in my head. The mind/ language games.

Trans women (including those with gender recognition certificates) are excluded from using the women's toilets.

Laughing at me being the person struggling to understand the issue because i "haven't given much thought to it".

Trans women (including those with gender recognition certificates) are excluded from using women's toilets because they are the opposite sex to women.

Come on Tandora, this isn't rocket science.