Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

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I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

We are back to the woman is a constellation of blah blah blah line of bollocks.

This is angels on the head of a pin stuff, though at least that had some bearing on the (then) understanding of nature and reality.

I think I’ve been clear on my opinions of how to organise services- people just don’t like them.

Im in favour of services for women, men, and also some gender neutral options. I see no need to attempt to enforce this which would be arbitrary and discriminatory and will not improve safety for anyone. It’s sufficient to allow people to determine which service is appropriate for them. I think there are some circumstances where it would be reasonable to restrict specialist services (eg rape crisis support) to be available exclusively for women registered female at birth , in the same way that it is reasonable to have services specifically for black women, or disabled women, or lesbians etc. however mandating that all women’s services must be restricted this way is irrational and profoundly oppressive.

That's the one.

No way, astrology is real. My lucky biscuit is a chocolate digestive today, it’s written in the stars.

So women who have been raped are allowed to recover amongst other women without men listening.

But fuck toilets and changing rooms.

It's hardly revolutionary. Most tw don't give a fuck about rape crisis centres, on a day-to-day basis, but they do massively care about loos.

Loos are the flashpoint. Because it's instant validation from unconsenting women everywhere, any time day or night.

It's just same old, same old

If it comes down to a system of knowledge that's too complex for us to understand, then I detect the influence of Judith Butler, who has long since advanced beyond mumbo-jumbo into the exalted realms of mumbo-pocus.

But when you say the word “women” you are including men with special gender identities and not the sex category of woman. That is a mixed sex category. If you don’t want to categorise by sex what do you want to categorise by?

You won't get the essay about what it all means because it's not theoretical, or a set of rules, or policies. It would be personal. Lived experience. And that's why it's outing.

Descriptions and policies aren't outing!

The system that gives meaning? Trans is?

So the meaning of our bodies is determined by these men?

We know this is what the cis garbage is all about but seriously? Everything about sexual difference is defined by these men who all disagree with each other anyway on why they are doing it.

How utterly self centered (and bonkers).

Honestly, it does make you stupid.

TRAs want the categories to officially be divided by sex, but unofficially allow men to use them.

it's the validation of using the women's toilets, but only them.

Tandoras way of achieving this is pretend you can't keep men out anyway.

I think in the conflict between esoteric sex/gender knowledge and the law of the land, the law has the advantage, thankfully.

Yes It’s not revolutionary at all. It’s the status quo and it is sensible

So my Muslim neighbour who actually cannot use mixed sex provision (even if the users identify as the same gender), who loses 100% of her provision in order that some 'registered male at births' get their preference - what happens to her in your system?

What's fair to her?

It does.

Because it's asking for a premise that you cannot have. Purely to satisfy the wants and needs of a tiny minority of men.

What these men want is to have women's and men's facilities, and for them to use the women's, through domination and threats. And for everyone to be cowed into submission

Unfortunately, that's all been blown sky high by the Supreme Court ruling.

Many are still making the attempt, but bit by bit, it will stop.

Despite Tandoras fervent wish that the more people understand about moobs and pissing, the higher the likelihood of acceptability.

Haha.

I bet

Well now, I'm guessing that Tandoras policy document will claim that that is simply just not 'sensible' enough 😁

I think there are some circumstances where it would be reasonable to restrict specialist services (eg rape crisis support) to be available exclusively for women registered female at birth

Why? If toilets and changing rooms should be separated by gender, why not rape crisis centres?

Trans people are not men dressing up as women and they are not perverts. Nor are they “invading” female spaces. Trans people are a-ok. They are who they say they are and they are using the services appropriate for their needs like everyone else.

Is he suffering from heatstroke? I know his legal area is tax avoidance not crime but does he honestly think that police officers conduct intimate examinations of rape victims?

That poster slipped up badly on the data points.

A poster talking about the physical difference between men and women referred to herself as 5 foot 2 and size 8.

He said "we have the same shoe size".

And then got a strop on when everyone laughed at his utter lack of any knowledge and understanding of one of the most normal intrinsic parts of every woman's life.

His constellation was a bit dimmer after that.

But the service appropriate for my needs doesn't have male-bodied people in it, so.....?

And is the exact reason that the SC ruling was so clear. Tandora’s position creates incoherence and the judges recognised that.

Tandora would rather women as a sex class lost our rights rather than upset a few men.

Just because some men will ignore the judgement and continue to use spaces that are designated for women only doesn’t mean we should just re-write the rules of society to legitimise their actions.

Because it’s not just about toilets. The toilets won’t be enough. They demand access to all female spaces already. Why do you think they would be content if they were allowed to legitimately use female toilets? Do you think they would stop trying to defund women only refuges? Or stop lesbians from associating without having to permit transwomen to join also?

I'm guessing Tandora doesn't think they need one.