Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

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I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

I apologise sincerely, but my contriteness dissolved after you responded by saying you were actually happy to be part of the broader group as they were so reasonable and polite. Tells me all I need to know.

You said “feel free”, and then said you didn’t think you’d understand it unless it could be used by an 8 year old. which didn’t sound nearly interested enough for me to risk outing myself to the angry online mob.

There’s no shifting goal posts.

Then not long after you started the personal attacks “I can’t believe I took you seriously” “you sneer at rape victims”, after I had been nothing but polite and respectful to you.

It makes no sense to try to count “gender” in this way. Gender is not terminology that is helpfully understood as referring to finite number of specific “identities”. Gender is simply the system knowledge that gives meaning to (sexual) differences in bodies.

@Tandora why not just post a summary in bullet points. No one needs to read your ‘outting’ essay/dissertation.

Just explain briefly what you think gender is and how many there are. How laws and society should be arranged based on these genders would be useful to know as a bonus.

You weren't asked how many Genders there are. We know there are a huge number of possible genders. Gender is not the same as sex. How many sexes are there in human beings?

I think it is wishful thinking that society will one day accept transgender identities as being something to be prioritised above the single sex provisions for female people.

There is no comparison with same sex orientation so I think it is a logic fail to keep using this as being comparative.

I’ve not asked for a finite number. Just a rough estimate. Are we talking about more or less than 10?

If it’s not useful or makes no sense to count them how do we usefully categorise who gets to use which services? How can we know what services are needed in the first place?

Personally I don’t believe gender is anything other than regressive stereotypes. I know sex is real and is not reductive. It’s our material reality.

I'm still waiting to hear how we organise toilet provision on the basis that the sign on the door says "women" but that means (women + [men with a sincere philosophical belief that they were meant to be women] - [men who are just pretending to pretend to be women]).

To my mind, it's simple to organise things on the basis of sex.

It's impossible to organise things on the basis of gender, and in practice that means "men who want to access female spaces will be allowed to", which I suspect is the whole point.

To be fair to @Tandora i have been asking how many genders there are. Not a precise figure though just the ball park figure. I think if the argument is that we should organise aspects of society traditionally split by sex by gender identity then we ought to know how many genders there are just from a practical perspective. @Tandora has already said she doesn’t want mixed sex provisions but I’m struggling to understand how many different types of loos we will need if gender is the priority and not sex.

@SternJoyousBee fair enough. Apologies @Tandora for not scrolling back in this particular exchange before interjecting. I was riled by seeing a question specifically about sex being answered as if sex and gender are the same, and didn't check the history of the conversation.

Pink News have joined the band of idiots promoting JoMo's lies.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/pinknews_ehrc-admits-employers-dont-have-to-provide-activity-7341057413728395264-2qY5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android&rcm=ACoAAAD19a0BWh4F8oFzM9ZPXR3Ns6V9BXnyuhc

But the question of a ball park figure doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying “how many sciences” are there?

Being trans is not a philosophical belief.

Penis News never wasn't on board - problem is, after their vile CEO was caught admitting they were downplaying trans issues now because they were a money-loser, the TRA 'community' cancelled them.

Jolly needs another pet outlet.

We have also asked @Tandora to justify their claim that there are not just 2 sexes but crickets

I would have thought if there were more than 2 I might have heard the name of the third, fourth or maybe even fifth option. Is there is a medium gamete to go with the small and large ones? Would be fascinated to know what combination could potentially result in a pregnancy.

Of course it makes sense if you want to arrange public services using gender. It feels like you might not actually believe that we should actually arrange society around gender but just want men to have what men want.

Would you like to tell us what it is then?

If it would be outing to share your incredibly complex thesis, you could ask AI to boil it down into a few bullet points that the thickos can grasp.

I already said what it is. It’s the system of knowledge that gives meaning to sexual differences in bodies.

Personal knowledge I take it?

Sounds like astrology which is a system of knowledge which gives meaning to the stars in the sky.

Despite all the claims of diversity and complexity which people will learn in the future, (it's like having the Joylons Jehovah's Witnesses at the door) Tandora has said how she wants the exemptions to work.

She wants the Stonewall version where service providers have to include men who want it.

She said it last night, she said it should be optional for service providers to allow in men which we all know means the men bully everyone into submission.

And apparently that's what the Supreme Court intended.

Guarantee it's I, or trans people, need this because we want it and here's why.

All the transwomen and organisations aghast that the Supreme Court wouldn't listen to them, only had I want it and here's why.

The closest we ever got to a theory of any description was there are certain data points that men believe make up womanhood, and they just have to tick enough of them.

Like hormones and moobs.

So what would your solution to loos and changing rooms be @Tandora
In one of your earliest posts on this thread didn’t you say you’re against unisex toilets?

Should males be able to walk freely into a changing room where females are in a state of undress, whether the females like that or not?

I’m married to a man so I know he’s a nice bloke and he wouldn’t hurt a fly. I do not think he should have the legal right to, say, wander through a swimming pool changing room where teenage girls are getting undressed.
It actually churns my stomach that some people think this scenario is ok, that the females should have no privacy or dignity, literally no place that is free from the male gaze. It’s sick.

This all becomes rather difficult because Tandora tells us we don't understand what trans is, but then refuses to tell us what she understands it to be.

I think you think that a man can literally become a woman (maybe not exactly like a biological woman, but as near as makes no difference), and that this happens more or less the way a non-believer becomes a Muslim - if you say it and sincerely believe it, then it's true.

But, even if you don't want to say it's a philosophical belief, don't you see how some of us might think it's rather difficult to organise a society this way?

If Mike at work comes into the office on Monday and says he's now Muhammad, that's no skin off my nose unless he tries to drag me along to his mosque to worship. If Mike says he's now Mandy, and he's going to be using the women's changing room, then we've got a problem.

Everyone remember this explanation from a regular poster?

"I'm an adult human, and I recognise within myself a constellation of data points that I identify as female”.