Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

[teawamutu]

I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

Given the amount of complaining about misgendering, the insisting that misgendering is a hate crime and the push for workplace punishment for misgendering I would suggest that they know as well as we do that they are 100 percent clockable.

If no-one can tell why such an enormous fuss about misgendering?

And why the need for FFS? And oestrogen?

As I asked earlier.

Because - men look like men. Until they try very hard not to.

Zackly

He's splashed out on PR!

That's an investment in schmoozing his paypigs.

Bet he's a bit sad about having to spend that though.

So now - GLP does a Totally Pointless and yet costly Thing. Totally Pointless Thing loses. But somehow he finds a way to spin it as positive.

Then - QueerAF ("What's our line today, Jolyon?") publishes a breathless piece explaining how the Totally Pointless Thing is A MASSIVE WIN!! CONCESSIONS HAVE BEEN MADE!! Etc etc.

Jolyon quotes it on Bluesky. "Look! Here some non-biased reporting of our Totally Pointless Thing!"

Penis Pink News can then quote a news outlet, not just Jolyon's rantings...

Rinse and repeat.

Is JM really using money crowdfunded for his shonky legal cases to pay someone to write articles to make these cases sound less shonky

You did. That's exactly what you did.

Yup.

The economic miracle that is JoMo.

It’s honestly really hard to communicate because your thinking is so ingrained within a particular system of ideas, that I don’t subscribe to, but you are assuming is universal.

When I was talking about the provision of facilities for women, I meant eg loos with signage with the words - “woman”, “female”, “symbol” . I don’t know how to be clearer about that.

There facilities are mostly used by women registered female at birth. they are also sometimes used by trans women.

On the question about sex and gender- It’s complex. But do I think the gender critical framework for understanding the two constructs as distinct and mapping on to a binary : real/ fictional, biological/ ideological framework is helpful or meaningful? No.

On the question about sex and gender- It’s complex. But do I think the gender critical framework for understanding the two constructs as distinct and mapping on to a binary : real/ fictional, biological/ ideological framework is helpful or meaningful? No.

You're either pretending or have imagined that I asked that. Please, be honest.

Do you accept that there are such things as gender identities, and that these things are not a person's biological sex, but a different thing?

You don’t know why outing someone is a big deal?
you can’t understand that some people might be deeply private about being trans?

One reason could of course be shame. Of course many people are ashamed of being trans- there is no should about it- but of course they are. You can’t perceive how or why this might be the case?

I tried to answer your question as best I could .

your thinking is so ingrained within a particular system of ideas, that I don’t subscribe to, but you are assuming is universal.

It's not my ingrained thinking, it is what Stonewall and trans charities say in their training.

I mistakenly thought that you were on that side, but it seems you reject that.

I am having trouble working out how you reconcile that with everything else you say, when you don't subscribe to the concept of a person having a gender identity that isn't physical sex.

So why the never ending hoo hah about misgendering these unclockable deeply private people than?

"It's complex".

That's it? That's the basis for you calling us transphobes and bigots?

What is it you think trans people are then - people who try to be seen as having the opposite sex body?

I don’t actually think the language used by stonewall is helpful either, although I do broadly share their substantive understanding

I think the media is slowly waking up to the fact that 1. The general public leans largely terfy and 2.trans activists are often hard to portray in a sympathetic way. See the piss protests and the Moobment, for example.

Even the Guardian has BERTRYED him. So, he's got to.pay if he wants that publicity to keep raking in the cash.

Yeah, we never, ever clock them.

Unless they have had thousands of pounds worth of hair transplants, FFS, oestrogen, etc etc...

What is the shame in being a man? Why should they feel shame at being "outed"? Do gay people still feel shame at being outed?

You think it’s ok to out gay people too?

I disagree entirely that the SC could offer a competent interpretation of the law when they have very limited understand of the context relating to sex, gender , sexuality and transness.

Comedy Gold.

Oh wait, I feel another crowd funder coming on...

We said he couldn't raise any more money for his Totally Pointless Things, once the brotherhood starts to become disillusioned with him.

So now he's found a new grift...

A hundred times yes!

There is nothing physically preventing a transwoman walking into the men's toilet.
There is something physically preventing a disabled person from walking into a non-accessible toilet.

Ok - I'll admit to being baffled now.
When I present the Stonewall characterisation of gender identity as distinct from sex, you told me you were rolling your eyes at the language games.

What is the "substantive understanding" of what trans people are, then? What we used to call transsexuals?

Yes because TW are biologically male, have used male toilets before so no big deal to use them as they always should have done If it is a big deal they need to campaign for a 4th toilet space for trans use.