Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

[teawamutu]

I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

The fact is that while you're right to say
there will be and is no way and never has been any way to enforce entry to public toilets
the key word is 'enforce'.
There have been separate men's and women's toilets since I-don't-know-when.
The system worked. Males used the men's, females used the women's.
There was never a need for security guards, cheek swabs, display of genitals.
It worked because of respect and trust.
People mostly respected single-sex spaces.

I totally agree with all of these statements. These spaces also included trans people , who used them in accordance with their “gender”*.

please substitute for whatever language you prefer .

I mean fewer toilets that are labelled “men”, “women”, “male” “female”, have a symbol on them designating they are for one or other sex etc.

Instead providers will offer services that are open to everyone.

Im not going to get drawn into a semantic argument with you about the use of language because after all what on earth is the point? I’m not going to agree with your use of language and you are not going to agree with mine. What is important is that we find ways to communicate.

I totally agree with all of these statements. These spaces also included trans people , who used them in accordance with their “gender”**

They did, but I think most people were under the impression that there was common agreement that they were being given a pass - people were turning a blind eye as long as these transsexuals didn't cause any trouble, and it was limited to relatively minor things like toilets - not stuff where sex is more critical like rape crisis centres, or sports.

That's why those "bathroom bills" years back in the USA puzzled me - do you really need laws here? Are they actually causing any trouble?

Turns out that actually, yes, they are causing trouble, and they believe they actually are entitled to be there, and they're actually calling themselves women. And openly hate women.

Fucking hell.

They were doing it, but they never had the right.

To go back to the point of this thread, I feel very sorry for the transpeople on Jolyon's Bluesky thread, and on the Reddit thread. Because they seem to think that something has happened, due to his dishonest framing.

He is misleading people, on purpose. Then not disabusing them of the notion that some kind of massive climbdown has happened.

What a fricking grifter.

Turns out that actually, yes, they are causing trouble

Is it your understanding that trans people as a group are "causing trouble" in toilets?

and they believe they actually are entitled to be there

So it's your position that trans people are allowed to have a safe and dignified place to piss, but only if they understand their place, which is beneath yours? I don't understand.

and they're actually calling themselves women

Yes, indeed, that's what it is to be a trans woman. Is it completely necessary for you to have such a strong opinion about what someone else calls themselves?

And openly hate women

Is it your belief/ understanding that trans people as a group "hate women"?

This is what I mean by online radicalisation. You sound like someone who had a - perhaps not fully informed - but nonetheless a fairly reasonable, human position on the subject once upon a time.

Surely it's not quite right that people can offer all sorts of critiques of "gender ideology", but critique of gender critical feminism (as a set of ideas/ belief system) is censored?

Totally. I met a wanking transwoman in the ladies' loos nearly thirty years ago.

I see hiding the Feminism: Sex and gender board is working out well for you @Tandora

Well, I feel more sorry for them for having been hoodwinked by governments and the NHS over years. Maugham is just taking advantage of a situation that was created by institutional capture. Grifters are always about, just like predators and bad faith people are always about.

What we don't usually expect is that institutions are so thoroughly hoodwinked by them.

Now the grown ups are finally returning to the building, there's a lot of damage done. The impact on society will be extensive. It'll take a while to clear up.

That's why he gave up practising as a barrister. He wanted to be able to mislead and misrepresent the law without being at risk of disciplinary action.

I’m very sorry that happened to you.

Nonetheless it’s not a basis on which to generalise.

JM has moved onto complaining about a risk that lapdancing and OnlyFans may be being criminalised.

Ah, the gentle "It's so sad, you were reasonable once" nod. You're not angry with us, more disappointed, yes?

Seriously, do you think we haven't heard all this before? The #bekind, just move over and make space, they only want to pee, arguments?

But I will pull you up on this one, specifically:

So it's your position that trans people are allowed to have a safe and dignified place to piss, but only if they understand their place, which is beneath yours?

No, their place is not beneath ours. Their place is not in our space.

It’s not your space. Your house is your space. Your garden is your space.

Public toilets are public facilities. All groups of people need a safe and dignified place to go to the toilet. Women’s toilets have always been available to trans and non trans women.

Existing standard loo provision cannot simply be rebadged as unisex toilets. They have to be special self enclosed rooms which cost £££.
So I predict that employers, services etc will leave the single sex as-is and then find some way to add a third unisex provision which meets the required privacy standard. That is in existing buildings. In new buildings it remains to be seen but unless the client is ideologically driven about toilets, I expect it will be similar because budgets are always very stretched and unisex costs more.

All groups of people need a safe and dignified place to go to the toilet

And that why we have single sex toilets

I think they’ll just have fewer toilets. Yes in the interim the disabled will become the unisex I guess. This is already happening where trans people are having the indignity of being called into HR and instructed on using disabled facilities across the other side of building etc.

In the longer term (if this lasts that long which actually I don’t think it will) segregated provision will be a thing of the past. Probably that is inevitable now anyway regardless of when this guidance falls.

Nope. Women’s toilets marked ‘women’ are for biological women only. That excludes trans women as they are men. Trans women can pee just like everyone else, in a space that aligns with their sex. They are transgender after all, not transsex.

You know all this Tandora but I’m a tad bored so I’ll play along.

I think it is an absolute scandal that he is misrepresenting this knowing it will boost the fighting fund coffers - and presumably knowing it is all for nought. When will people stop lying to the trans community? I mean if these folk are supposed to be allies....

And calling JKR "toxic and unwell"
Just unbelievable from a bloke with an profile pic that looks like a lost weekend mugshot

OK, I'll bite. We all know this chorus don't we, gals?

Why can't transwomen be safe and dignified in the Men's loos?

The crowdfunder raised almost half a million and GLP takes 10% for overheads so that's nearly £50k before they even start doing any work

Would you feel safe and with your dignity intact as a woman walking into the men’s loo? It is exactly the same for trans women. I cannot understand why this isn’t obvious to you.
Not to mention it would a total violation of privacy.
Again, I cannot understand how you could think this is a reasonable ask?

You're so close!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wispa-suspect-not-guilty-nine-180000871.html

Legally using facilities in accordance with his gender.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/15/trans-australian-uk-britain-tolerance

Wanting to use toilets in accordance with his perception of his gender, but not really being able to describe what that his. Something about being in a liminal space.

Some people might mistakenly think these men are 'cis'. How do you judge somebody's gender when the only clue they are sharing is their penis? How do you tell the difference between an Australian man who sometimes wears a dress because his gender is in a liminal space, and an Australian man who is wearing a dress because he is on a pub crawl?

But it is not for us to say. It is for them alone to understand their gender.