Lesbian Pride March – Saturday 5th July – Women Only (London)

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Hi all,

Just flagging this for any lesbian or bi women who’ve felt pushed out of Pride, or like something’s quietly disappeared.

We’re organising a lesbian and bisexual women-only march on Saturday 5th July in central London. It’s the same day as the main Pride event – but we’re not part of their route, and we’re not affiliated.

Time: 11.00 AM
Meeting point: Emmeline Pankhurst Statue, Victoria Tower Gardens South (by Parliament)
Route: Walk to Parliament Square for a few short speeches, then back to the park for a picnic (or a nearby pub if it rains)

No men. No brands. No pressure.
Just women. In public. Without compromise.

It’s fully self-funded. All permits, insurance, stewards and first aid are covered.

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New faces always welcome.
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If you’re coming alone or feeling nervous, join our entry WhatsApp group – we’ll look after you:
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If you want to understand the story behind why this is needed:
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https://thelcommunity.com/taking-back-pride/

They didn’t make space for us. So we did.

Everyone then knows that straight allies aren't welcome and neither are trans women/men or NBs

Transmen are welcome tho, and so are female NBs!!

See what happens when you pretend reality doesn't exist?

So much easier to be clear.

Lol

Why would female nb people not be allowed @sadmillenial ? Are you saying no lesbians nb people exist? How do you know? Also if cis means complying with gender norms, surely no lesbian can be “cis” as rejecting men sexually is about as far away from complying with gender norms as you can get?

I was gonna skip london but well, now I have a reason to come over and bring some friends along!

What, the only reason is to gatecrash a party to which you are not invited? Do you do that to weddings, bar mitzvahs and industrial awards, too, or are you uniquely spiteful to female-attracted women?

I could see the logic if you wanted to swell the numbers at the Pride march, sure, but solely going to be a party pooper at a women's meetup? How is that proud?

What on earth makes you think that trans men and female NBs woudn't be welcome at the event, @sadmillenial , if they wanted to attend? It isn't an event for 'cis women'. It is an event for women.

You say that the 'vast majority' of lesbians accept the idea of transwomen lesbians? Well if that is true, fine and dandy, and they have an event (the main pride event) at which to express that. Why does it bother you that some lesbians feel differently?

EDIT: And implying that the organisers "wanted the attention" - the abusive, harrassing and potentially aggressive attention - feels the same as saying that a woman who has been catcalled, assaulted or raped was 'asking for it', because she dared to exist in public in a way that made some men feel frustrated.

I hope the women have a great day out! That is all.

Using "cis women"?

Why would a group of lesbians and bisexual women who feel excluded from Pride want to use the language of an oppressive ideology that seeks to erase them?

It's bloody obvious who is invited to the picnic and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

This is why transactivism was never going to succeed. And, since the Supreme Court ruling, its demise has been accelerated by its own proponents. Most people don't take kindly to bullying, intimidating tactics and rampant homophobia.

Like threats of bringing friends to intimidate gay people, and pretending it's progressive.

Trying to make out they asked for it.

And furious demands that women use the language they're being told to use.

It was like this when the LGB alliance was set up. You could hear the tantrums from space.

For context, later this month there is a trans sauna event. It’s for “trans+ people (transgender, non-binary, intersex or gender non-conforming) to warm up, cool down, and connect.” It isn’t a dating event. It’s just a wellness event. As far as I’m aware no one outside the groups mentioned has petulantly asked to go, prepared a counter protest or examined the ins and outs of the EA to decide who is or isn’t included. They’ve just been left alone to get on with it. They even have a little section on the BPOC space, explaining that it isn’t for white attendees. Again no drama.

But same-sex attracted women? Oh no, god forbid they have anything.

Stark.

What's a sauna event?

You warm up, cool down and connect, but it's not about dating??

What's the logic, then, of having a category LGB at all?

Or, especially, including T with LGandB?

They're much more different than lesbian from female bisexual.

To be accurate it’s ‘not a cruising event’ rather than dating. I couldn’t be bothered going back to check their wording. I don’t really care what it is exactly tbh, as it’s not aimed at me. And I don’t particularly like saunas after about 30 seconds.

I'm a lesbian but after reading this thread would be scared to go because transactivists will turn up and be hateful.

Yes that's the point of the male supremacists posting on the thread.

I think I'm just struggling to understand the premise of inviting the general public to join one for a group sauna.

But yeah, 30 seconds is about my lot too.

Did you type this bit of falsity with a straight face?

The organisers have not said that female people with any transgender identities are not welcome if they are same sex attracted. You seem to be making stuff up now. Which is hypocritical considering you wrote about clarity.

I think there are multiple saunas plus individual cabins, and there will be food and ‘wellness practitioners’.

I’m a lesbian and absolutely bored shitless about other people telling me who I can and cannot associated with. Of course I support transpeople and at the same time like having a space where I can hang out with other lesbians and bisexual women and shock horror without dudes.

FFS just let me have a walk and a frigging picnic without all your ludicrous judgement and trot onto your shinier, sparklier, all-you-can-eat-inclusivity-buffet of a pride march.

You don’t miss out of my idea of fun as clearly you don’t approve, and I don’t miss out on my cake and sarnies.

You say:
the word "woman" in everyday language can still include trans women and trans men, depending on how we use it

the word woman has never included transwomen as they are men. It has always included transmen as they are women.

The recent court case didn’t change anything - it confirmed what was already there in law.

The word woman has always meant someone born female -> girl -> adult woman

• gender preference is irrelevant - it is a societal construct.
• gender surgery or hormones are irrelevant- they simply mutilate what is already there, they don’t make something new
• sexual preference is irrelevant - it simply gives a label (straight / gay / lesbian / bi / etc) it doesn’t change the underlying person

no-one gets to redefine words, woman still retains the very precise and society accepted meaning it has always had based on birth sex.

the very definition of a transwoman is that you have to be a man… so as sex is immutable that person can never be a woman / and there never has been a time when they could be a woman / and there never will be a time when they can become a woman.

using ‘cis’ to prefix women suggests a need to categorise a type of woman based on their being more than one type - there isn’t - born a woman, always a woman, only kind of woman. So ‘cis’ is not required, the word is simply woman which stands on its own accurately describing those born as female sex. To use ‘cis’ is coercive behaviour to force people towards a gender ideology approach.

so, no, you are comprehensively wrong. The word woman has only ever had one meaning, and continues to only have one meaning and is not open to being hijacked for nefarious purposes.

There had been a clever trans-driven campaign to try and change this, fortunately the scales have fallen from eyes around the country and the Supreme Court judgement’s clarification has helped to clear up that the word has only one meaning in our language… there are a few left who deny this and no doubt will continue to do so, but those protests and statements are thankfully increasingly being seen as the coercive behaviour they are and being called out…

birth sex female -> woman
birth sex male -> man

really simple.

I bet 🙄

I hope that there will be an age limit too and safeguarding protocols are followed.

It’s an adult event that isn’t for me. Which I’m managing not to lose my shit over.

Phew. I remember when they had the swim night where it was open ages and parents discouraged.

I think you might live in a tiny bubble.

The word woman in everyday use amongst most of the population is used to mean adult human female, because that is what the word developed for. All languages have a word for man and woman in the sex based meaning.

You can’t force language change on a whole population who still need a word for adult human female. Woman is the word people use for this.

Why then if it's only a stupid tiny group of lesbians who are out of step and not embracing the shagging of men into their homosexuality are you so very bothered about them?

Why can't you leave them to be weird all by themselves? The 'normal' lesbians not being homosexual are all at Pride, you have all of that. But this tiny insignificant stupid group are so very important to you that you can't leave them alone and you're here shaming and bullying and shouting your proud homophobia that women must not be permitted a sexuality that excludes men who want to have sex with them. Because you have to control them and stamp them out and punish them.

So either this group isn't small and insignificant at all and you know it, or you have some very strange control issues over women's bodies. Which is it?

And yes, to refuse to allow women to be homosexual in peace is homophobic . You are attacking and shaming them for a sexuality you're intolerant of. Although they're not trying to control your language, or make you do what they say; all they want you to do is go away and leave them the fuck alone.