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Lesbian Pride March – Saturday 5th July – Women Only (London)

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LCommunity · 16/06/2025 13:13

Hi all,

Just flagging this for any lesbian or bi women who’ve felt pushed out of Pride, or like something’s quietly disappeared.

We’re organising a lesbian and bisexual women-only march on Saturday 5th July in central London. It’s the same day as the main Pride event – but we’re not part of their route, and we’re not affiliated.

Time: 11.00 AM
Meeting point: Emmeline Pankhurst Statue, Victoria Tower Gardens South (by Parliament)
Route: Walk to Parliament Square for a few short speeches, then back to the park for a picnic (or a nearby pub if it rains)

No men. No brands. No pressure.
Just women. In public. Without compromise.

It’s fully self-funded. All permits, insurance, stewards and first aid are covered.

RSVP now
Click “Attend” – even if you’re only thinking of coming. It helps us plan and it shows other women that this space is real.
New faces always welcome.
Meetup

If you’re coming alone or feeling nervous, join our entry WhatsApp group – we’ll look after you:
chat.whatsapp.com/FCsLSOzgV4C2yUGplyQr5m
(This is our public group – open to everyone before vetting. The private WhatsApp spaces are strictly filtered. Only verified, registered women are added after screening. To move into those, register and complete sex verification here: thelcommunity.com)

If you want to understand the story behind why this is needed:
thelcommunity.com/the-lie
https://thelcommunity.com/taking-back-pride/

They didn’t make space for us. So we did.

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Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 17/06/2025 00:04

murasaki · 16/06/2025 23:14

Surely it is as it covers two protected characteristics, sex, in this case female and sexual orientation, in this case attracted to women.

The fact that some of those women are also attracted to men is irrelevant as they fit both boxes. I only fit one, so shouldn't be there.

As I said above, that’s not how the definitions work

Lesbian Pride March – Saturday 5th July – Women Only (London)
Datun · 17/06/2025 00:14

The EHRC specifically says:

Circumstances when being treated differently due to sexual orientation is lawful

A difference in treatment may be lawful if:
belonging to a particular sexual orientation is essential for a job. This is called an occupational requirement. For example, an employer wants to recruit an advice worker who has experience of coming out for a young person's LGBT helpline. The employer can specify that applicants must be lesbian or gay
an organisation is taking positive action to encourage or develop gay, lesbian or bisexual people to participate in a role or activity

Like a march and a picnic?

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 17/06/2025 00:17

Datun · 17/06/2025 00:14

The EHRC specifically says:

Circumstances when being treated differently due to sexual orientation is lawful

A difference in treatment may be lawful if:
belonging to a particular sexual orientation is essential for a job. This is called an occupational requirement. For example, an employer wants to recruit an advice worker who has experience of coming out for a young person's LGBT helpline. The employer can specify that applicants must be lesbian or gay
an organisation is taking positive action to encourage or develop gay, lesbian or bisexual people to participate in a role or activity

Like a march and a picnic?

I would like to know what provision of the Act that is based on

Datun · 17/06/2025 00:19

Noted

TooSquaretobehip · 17/06/2025 01:08

AidaP · 16/06/2025 15:20

So, no trans women?

I'll start arranging the anti transphobia counter protest, thanks for clarification!

So females are not allowed anything to themselves? Such a MALE dominating thug trait.

TooSquaretobehip · 17/06/2025 01:09

AidaP · 16/06/2025 15:15

I'll ask the question more bluntly - are trans women lesbians allowed?

Transwomen are males. Why would males be invited to a female only event? Have you lost the ability to think and reason?

TooSquaretobehip · 17/06/2025 01:12

Christinapple · 16/06/2025 14:17

My question hasn't been answered. In recent years we have seen several times, including online communities such as now-banned reddit subs for example, so called "lesbian" events that in practice turn out to be nothing to do with being lesbian and are only about anti-trans activism.

If this is the case and it's basically just another KJK thing then it's only fair a counter protest can be present so all views are heard?

There is no need for "all views to be heard" at a female only event. But thanks for showing that you will not allow any female only event to exist without males being terrorists and thugs to females. You realise you are the reason you are driving people away from supporting trans?

EmpressaurusKitty · 17/06/2025 02:00

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 16/06/2025 23:11

i was responding the pp who said that it was the Equality Act which allowed this event to exclude straight women (as well as all men), while including gay and bisexual women. I have no idea if this gathering is even within the scope of the Equality Act prohibition on discrimination, but if it is, then it wouldn’t be compliant with the Act. I have no strong feelings either way about the event happening, I was just correcting a misunderstanding of the legal position. I thought people on this forum cared about facts.

Or maybe the organisers think that while men are obviously outraged at being excluded, straight women might simply have the manners to wish the event well from afar?

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 03:06

This entire thread in an exercise in performative outrage....

"A subsidiary/coexisting march is also happening for lesbian and bi cis women only"

Everyone then knows that straight allies aren't welcome and neither are trans women/men or NBs

That's all you needed to say.

So much easier to be clear. Unless you wanted all the attention? (surely not)

Shedmistress · 17/06/2025 03:23

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 03:06

This entire thread in an exercise in performative outrage....

"A subsidiary/coexisting march is also happening for lesbian and bi cis women only"

Everyone then knows that straight allies aren't welcome and neither are trans women/men or NBs

That's all you needed to say.

So much easier to be clear. Unless you wanted all the attention? (surely not)

'Lesbian and bisexual women' is the definition. Men know they are not women hence the thrashing and wailing. Straight women know they are not lesbians or bisexual. Everyone just needs to leave them alone to have their picnic in peace.

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 03:31

Shedmistress · 17/06/2025 03:23

'Lesbian and bisexual women' is the definition. Men know they are not women hence the thrashing and wailing. Straight women know they are not lesbians or bisexual. Everyone just needs to leave them alone to have their picnic in peace.

and as much as the ongoing fight about nomenclature exists, the word "woman" in everyday language can still include trans women and trans men, depending on how we use it
The recent court case only defined the use of it in legislation specifically citing the Equality Act in spaces where there was specific reasoning

In your advert, trans men could attend? (but i dont think you want them to....and i dont think they would want to either lol) Thats why im saying its performative outrage, because literally just saying "cis" would stop any questions and still get your point across

WandaSiri · 17/06/2025 03:55

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 03:31

and as much as the ongoing fight about nomenclature exists, the word "woman" in everyday language can still include trans women and trans men, depending on how we use it
The recent court case only defined the use of it in legislation specifically citing the Equality Act in spaces where there was specific reasoning

In your advert, trans men could attend? (but i dont think you want them to....and i dont think they would want to either lol) Thats why im saying its performative outrage, because literally just saying "cis" would stop any questions and still get your point across

There is no confusion about who is invited to the event, just a lot of entitlement or homophobia.

Shedmistress · 17/06/2025 03:55

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 03:31

and as much as the ongoing fight about nomenclature exists, the word "woman" in everyday language can still include trans women and trans men, depending on how we use it
The recent court case only defined the use of it in legislation specifically citing the Equality Act in spaces where there was specific reasoning

In your advert, trans men could attend? (but i dont think you want them to....and i dont think they would want to either lol) Thats why im saying its performative outrage, because literally just saying "cis" would stop any questions and still get your point across

Yes 'trans men' aka women who are attracted to other women would also be lesbians.
That's how using words that mean things works. It makes things very easily understandable.

No, women never meant men. As clarified by the Supreme Court.

Pretending we only have to use clear language when discussing the Equality Act in legislation, is that the next 'slight of hand' that activists are going for?

People are so bored of this utter shit. Just leave lesbians alone.

MyAmpleSheep · 17/06/2025 04:03

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 17/06/2025 00:17

I would like to know what provision of the Act that is based on

Part 1 of Schedule 9 to the Equality Act 2010, I think.

Part 1 Occupational requirements
General
1(1)A person (A) does not contravene a provision mentioned in sub-paragraph (2) by applying in relation to work a requirement to have a particular protected characteristic, if A shows that, having regard to the nature or context of the work—
(a)it is an occupational requirement,
(b)the application of the requirement is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim, and
(c)the person to whom A applies the requirement does not meet it (or A has reasonable grounds for not being satisfied that the person meets it).
(2)The provisions are—
(a)section 39(1)(a) or (c) or (2)(b) or (c);

In this case 39(1)(a) is being abrogated.

MyAmpleSheep · 17/06/2025 04:11

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 17/06/2025 00:17

I would like to know what provision of the Act that is based on

I might have misunderstood which bit of the post you were asking about. Positive action in recruitment and promotion is covered under section 159 of the Equality Act 2010. Positive action generally is in section 158.

akkakk · 17/06/2025 04:19

@Namechangeforobviousreasons100

sorry, I think your interpretation is wrong

I assume you are seeing those definitions as exclusive, however that is not a correct reflection on life - someone who is Lesbian is likely to only ever be female to female attracted, where someone bisexual under that definition is generic (male or female) attracted to both sexes…

I can see therefore your argument that to include bisexual as a protected characteristic it should also include bisexual men - therefore this is not covered, but that is I think to misunderstand…

someone who is bisexual doesn’t have to be always attracted to both sexes, nor are they always attracted to both sexes in equal weighting, either way there is only one group of them who enjoy lesbian relationships - bi-sexual women…

so this has one protected characterisation which is that of lesbian:

  • born a woman
  • sexually attracted to women

and this includes lesbians with no attraction to anyone else, plus lesbians who have a bisexual element and are also attracted to men…

it can’t though include bisexual men as they have no lesbian attraction and never will

so one protected characteristic- lesbian

it really couldn’t be simpler!

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 04:37

Shedmistress · 17/06/2025 03:55

Yes 'trans men' aka women who are attracted to other women would also be lesbians.
That's how using words that mean things works. It makes things very easily understandable.

No, women never meant men. As clarified by the Supreme Court.

Pretending we only have to use clear language when discussing the Equality Act in legislation, is that the next 'slight of hand' that activists are going for?

People are so bored of this utter shit. Just leave lesbians alone.

youre bored of this??
IM bored of this!

the vast majority of lesbians are trans inclusive! I'm bored of non-queer people invoking lesbians for their own argument without also taking on any other pro-lesbian activism

"Cisgender lesbian and bisexual women were the most likely to be pro-trans with 88% feeling positive and of those 66-68% felt “very positive.” "
(taken from the yougov syrvey 2024)
d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/YouGov_-__LG_B_and_T_perceptions_LGBTQplus_sample.pdf

TooSquaretobehip · 17/06/2025 04:41

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 04:37

youre bored of this??
IM bored of this!

the vast majority of lesbians are trans inclusive! I'm bored of non-queer people invoking lesbians for their own argument without also taking on any other pro-lesbian activism

"Cisgender lesbian and bisexual women were the most likely to be pro-trans with 88% feeling positive and of those 66-68% felt “very positive.” "
(taken from the yougov syrvey 2024)
d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/YouGov_-__LG_B_and_T_perceptions_LGBTQplus_sample.pdf

Edited

Supportive of trans (as almost all are) does NOT mean they actually consider a male a lesbian. Or that males should be in the ladies.

And can we please stop using the horrific homophobic slur 'que*r'.

EmpressaurusKitty · 17/06/2025 05:23

TooSquaretobehip · 17/06/2025 04:41

Supportive of trans (as almost all are) does NOT mean they actually consider a male a lesbian. Or that males should be in the ladies.

And can we please stop using the horrific homophobic slur 'que*r'.

Also that horrible term ‘cis’.

Anyone who defines themselves as ‘cis’ is declaring that they embrace the concept of gender identity and view themselves as having one. Which would probably mean that they wouldn’t organise a single-sex event.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2025 05:52

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 04:37

youre bored of this??
IM bored of this!

the vast majority of lesbians are trans inclusive! I'm bored of non-queer people invoking lesbians for their own argument without also taking on any other pro-lesbian activism

"Cisgender lesbian and bisexual women were the most likely to be pro-trans with 88% feeling positive and of those 66-68% felt “very positive.” "
(taken from the yougov syrvey 2024)
d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/YouGov_-__LG_B_and_T_perceptions_LGBTQplus_sample.pdf

Edited

'Non-queer" - don't make me laugh.

tripleginandtonic · 17/06/2025 05:53

Christinapple · 16/06/2025 14:17

My question hasn't been answered. In recent years we have seen several times, including online communities such as now-banned reddit subs for example, so called "lesbian" events that in practice turn out to be nothing to do with being lesbian and are only about anti-trans activism.

If this is the case and it's basically just another KJK thing then it's only fair a counter protest can be present so all views are heard?

It's not a protest so why the need for a counter protest. If you don't want biological women only you can attend the actual Pride event.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2025 06:01

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 03:31

and as much as the ongoing fight about nomenclature exists, the word "woman" in everyday language can still include trans women and trans men, depending on how we use it
The recent court case only defined the use of it in legislation specifically citing the Equality Act in spaces where there was specific reasoning

In your advert, trans men could attend? (but i dont think you want them to....and i dont think they would want to either lol) Thats why im saying its performative outrage, because literally just saying "cis" would stop any questions and still get your point across

So long as they're either lesbian or bi they'd be welcome. And how on earth do you presume to know whether transmen would want to.go or not?

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2025 06:03

tripleginandtonic · 17/06/2025 05:53

It's not a protest so why the need for a counter protest. If you don't want biological women only you can attend the actual Pride event.

The word 'counter protest' is now used to mean 'attack'. All part of the doublespeak. Men are women, war is peace.

Datun · 17/06/2025 06:21

sadmillenial · 17/06/2025 03:31

and as much as the ongoing fight about nomenclature exists, the word "woman" in everyday language can still include trans women and trans men, depending on how we use it
The recent court case only defined the use of it in legislation specifically citing the Equality Act in spaces where there was specific reasoning

In your advert, trans men could attend? (but i dont think you want them to....and i dont think they would want to either lol) Thats why im saying its performative outrage, because literally just saying "cis" would stop any questions and still get your point across

Crikey, you still don't get it. If a transman is same sex attracted, they fit the criteria.

Men do not. Not even men who are opposite sex attracted calling themselves lesbians!

Annoyedone · 17/06/2025 06:25

AidaP · 16/06/2025 15:25

This is most pride thing to do, go and protest transphobia, read your history. I was gonna skip london but well, now I have a reason to come over and bring some friends along!

See you all there!

Is that because it’s the nearest thing you’ll get to interaction with real live women or is it because you’re a homophobic, misogynistic bully? You do know therapists can help.

maybe you and @Christinapple can meet up and a new friendship will form. Maybe meeting real live people will stop you becoming the next Andrew Tate. It may be too late but it’s worth a shot don’t you think?

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