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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

House of Commons apologises after RMW permitted to use ladies' loos

277 replies

SidewaysOtter · 14/06/2025 15:20

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e3c3967f-8712-4591-9897-fe04588000ca?shareToken=5ffa7fb5239ea83f779908352e494c14

RMW claims he had never been challenged on his use of women's loos before - well, now he has, and the HoC has acknowledged it was wrong to allow him into those facilities.

House of Commons says sorry after trans barrister uses ladies’ loo

Robin Moira White was attending a parliamentary committee meeting about the Supreme Court ruling that defined a woman according to biological sex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e3c3967f-8712-4591-9897-fe04588000ca?shareToken=5ffa7fb5239ea83f779908352e494c14

OP posts:
TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/06/2025 12:26

illinivich · 16/06/2025 11:38

To be honest, i wouldn't have transitioned past my 30s if i knew what my body would be like on the other side.

Edited

Are you saying you did transition past your 30s, and you now somewhat regret what your body looks like, post-transition?

Would you say you feel you were informed that this was the likely outcome by any of your HCPs?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/06/2025 12:26

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/06/2025 12:26

Are you saying you did transition past your 30s, and you now somewhat regret what your body looks like, post-transition?

Would you say you feel you were informed that this was the likely outcome by any of your HCPs?

Also, if you do regret, I am really sorry to hear that.

Drinkingontheterrace · 16/06/2025 13:49

Tallisker · 16/06/2025 11:39

Drinking if you are civil service, have you joined SEEN?

We are not technically civil servants as we don't work for government so not eligible to join SEEN unfortunately.

Rightsraptor · 16/06/2025 13:55

Robin must be spitting feathers at the direction of the apology.

IDareSay · 16/06/2025 14:06

Drinkingontheterrace · 16/06/2025 13:49

We are not technically civil servants as we don't work for government so not eligible to join SEEN unfortunately.

There was a parliamentary SEEN setting up last year; not sure how far it got. They are on X @ SEENinParli (remove gap)

DefineHappy · 16/06/2025 15:03

borntobequiet · 15/06/2025 16:19

No one is stopping people from pissing. They’re stopping them using the wrong toilets to do their pissing in. Dear me.

Many TRAs don’t care where they piss - on statues, public buildings, jars, etc. They don’t need entry to the female facilities to piss, they want it. But we say NO. (As does the SC!)…

Drinkingontheterrace · 16/06/2025 15:56

That is really interesting as I've not seen any comms about it....I'll try and find out if it is active, thank you!

TheOtherRaven · 16/06/2025 16:54

Igneococcus · 16/06/2025 09:03

I just saw this comment in the Times under the Sarah Ditum comment about JKR. The poster is IIRC a transwoman:
"earlier this week two terfs would not let a trans woman use the loo at Portcullis house. She looked like a middle aged woman.
All they had to do is let her use it and guard the door.
Sheer malignant spite"

  1. I'm a middle aged woman. I look nothing like RMW
  2. Do we now have to provide door guarding services too? I'm fecking busy as it is.

I can see exactly where the spite was, and it was in the man who intentionally and manipulatively played the pity card, the medical card, the oh horrors the wims are mean card, and everything else he could to get himself into the women's toilets and be very clear that nothing and no one including the law is going to stop that barrister forcing himself upon non consenting women with their knickers down.

TWETMIRF · 16/06/2025 17:57

If the nasty wims are making you uncomfortable in the ladies, maybe the gents will be more welcoming.

Igneococcus · 16/06/2025 18:15

TheOtherRaven · 16/06/2025 16:54

I can see exactly where the spite was, and it was in the man who intentionally and manipulatively played the pity card, the medical card, the oh horrors the wims are mean card, and everything else he could to get himself into the women's toilets and be very clear that nothing and no one including the law is going to stop that barrister forcing himself upon non consenting women with their knickers down.

Edited

Ha, yes.
I'm also amused by tall women being mistaken for men all over the place now supposedly (never happened to me at nearly 6 foot) but RMW at 6'4" looks just like any middle-aged woman. Indistinguishable.

Tallisker · 16/06/2025 18:23

https://x.com/seeninparli @Drinkingontheterrace

Seriestwo · 16/06/2025 18:43

RMW usually finds threads about him on here and comments.

maybe he’s on holiday.

Bannedontherun · 16/06/2025 20:11

Seriestwo · 16/06/2025 18:43

RMW usually finds threads about him on here and comments.

maybe he’s on holiday.

😂 Oh they will be here lurking already, cannot think of a response they might come up with thus far in to the thread.

The claim that RMW makes about being a “somatic” woman was quite a surprise.

i understood somatoform to be an illness that manifests in physical symptoms, that have no relationship to any disease. A genuine (not feigned symptom), with no source in reality, so a state of mind.

I came across this mental health condition working with victims of CSA, and other forms of physical and sexual violence.

I checked this out.

The individual who is somatic will usually have co morbidities, and have tendencies to have excessive thoughts, feelings and behaviours related to the symptom.

So there we have it, RMW is claiming that their sense of being born in the wrong body is a mental health condition.

TheOtherRaven · 16/06/2025 20:18

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SabrinaThwaite · 16/06/2025 20:31

Bannedontherun · 16/06/2025 20:11

😂 Oh they will be here lurking already, cannot think of a response they might come up with thus far in to the thread.

The claim that RMW makes about being a “somatic” woman was quite a surprise.

i understood somatoform to be an illness that manifests in physical symptoms, that have no relationship to any disease. A genuine (not feigned symptom), with no source in reality, so a state of mind.

I came across this mental health condition working with victims of CSA, and other forms of physical and sexual violence.

I checked this out.

The individual who is somatic will usually have co morbidities, and have tendencies to have excessive thoughts, feelings and behaviours related to the symptom.

So there we have it, RMW is claiming that their sense of being born in the wrong body is a mental health condition.

I wonder if RMW meant it as meaning he thinks that he’s a woman in relation to his body, not his mind.

Here’s the interview that included that comment - it’s at 4.25:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vV19LFDFecY

Also interesting to note that RMW calls third spaces ‘ghettoes’.

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Harassedevictee · 23/06/2025 21:10

Just seen this on X, https://x.com/bevjacksonauth/status/1937232732377252261?s=61&t=W8z-NdrPTYy21FuiQuezcw

Sorry for those who don’t use X. It’s a video of RMW talking about what happened in the HoC and claiming they were attacked,

https://x.com/bevjacksonauth/status/1937232732377252261?s=61&t=W8z-NdrPTYy21FuiQuezcw

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/06/2025 21:27

RMW's world, where 'attacked' means 'some women were honest about the way they feel about me using women's spaces where I do not belong'

what a twerp

Harassedevictee · 23/06/2025 21:30

The biggest problem RMW has in relation to this “incident” is that there were gender neutral toilets in the same area.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/06/2025 21:33

Also on Twitter. Parliament have updated their toilet policy. Thanks for promoting it Robin, you the man!

x.com/mforstater/status/1937233690020716682?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/06/2025 21:34

*prompting

SerafinasGoose · 23/06/2025 21:57

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/06/2025 21:33

Also on Twitter. Parliament have updated their toilet policy. Thanks for promoting it Robin, you the man!

x.com/mforstater/status/1937233690020716682?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

FAFO. 😆

Boiledbeetle · 23/06/2025 22:30

Attacked?!? Seriously Robin? You were just told to get out of the women's toilets.

Hardly an attack, just women asking a biological (and legal as no GRC) man to get out of the women's single sex space that RMW was intent on using despite knowing full well men had no right to be in there. And as RMW is well aware of the recent SC case RMW couldn't even claim ignorance of the fact men are not welcome in the women's toilet.

StormyPotatoes · 23/06/2025 23:05

Thank you, Robin, for that delightful speech. Whilst my DH is very much of the ‘can’t change sex’ belief, he still tries his best to give to benefit of doubt to trans-identified men.

That changed rather quickly watching the whole manly unit that is Robin claim he was ‘attacked’ by women half his size by being asked to leave a place he didn’t belong.

Very operation ‘let them speak’ in their deepest baritone to influence minds and hearts.

Keeptoiletssafe · 24/06/2025 00:44

Robin, as an occupant, could hear noises outside the cubicle.

This is good design. That means, if an occupant was in trouble with any kind of medical condition or assault, loud cries for help could be heard by others. Even better, if the occupant were to fall to the ground for a medical reason and be non-verbal or unconscious, or indeed were being assaulted inside the cubicle, people outside would be alerted immediately IF there was a big enough floor to door gap (Having witnesses, by having this door gap, could even prevent attacks happening in the first place). However this means the occupant has to be in a single sex toilet design. If there’s any ambiguity in who is using the toilets, the designs go private. Mixed sex toilets are always private with floor to ceiling doors and partitions. In building regulations mixed sex toilets are always private.

Robin is making it more dangerous for everyone by being in the wrong toilet because it means, in reality, the designs change.

For the sake of everyone’s safety when they are at their most vulnerable, the standard should be single sex toilet cubicles with a single sex communal area outside the cubicle, like the traditional areas containing sinks, dryers etc. Then a door leading onto the mixed sex public area. In this way we can all have the traditional toilet cubicle door and partition gaps above and below for health and safety. Whilst maintaining a high degree of privacy and dignity.

11% of cardiac arrests happen on the toilet. There’s a cardiac arrest every 5 minutes in this country.

This is why the Supreme Court ruling is so important for toilets. It reaffirms single sex toilets as single sex. Therefore the designs can be safer. For everyone. They just need to use the correct toilet for their sex.

BundleBoogie · 24/06/2025 07:57

Keeptoiletssafe · 24/06/2025 00:44

Robin, as an occupant, could hear noises outside the cubicle.

This is good design. That means, if an occupant was in trouble with any kind of medical condition or assault, loud cries for help could be heard by others. Even better, if the occupant were to fall to the ground for a medical reason and be non-verbal or unconscious, or indeed were being assaulted inside the cubicle, people outside would be alerted immediately IF there was a big enough floor to door gap (Having witnesses, by having this door gap, could even prevent attacks happening in the first place). However this means the occupant has to be in a single sex toilet design. If there’s any ambiguity in who is using the toilets, the designs go private. Mixed sex toilets are always private with floor to ceiling doors and partitions. In building regulations mixed sex toilets are always private.

Robin is making it more dangerous for everyone by being in the wrong toilet because it means, in reality, the designs change.

For the sake of everyone’s safety when they are at their most vulnerable, the standard should be single sex toilet cubicles with a single sex communal area outside the cubicle, like the traditional areas containing sinks, dryers etc. Then a door leading onto the mixed sex public area. In this way we can all have the traditional toilet cubicle door and partition gaps above and below for health and safety. Whilst maintaining a high degree of privacy and dignity.

11% of cardiac arrests happen on the toilet. There’s a cardiac arrest every 5 minutes in this country.

This is why the Supreme Court ruling is so important for toilets. It reaffirms single sex toilets as single sex. Therefore the designs can be safer. For everyone. They just need to use the correct toilet for their sex.

Gosh! So because of Robin and the tiny minority of entitled men like him, everyone at risk of a heart attack is less safe and unnecessary deaths are very likely to occur. Great.

Will that thought stop them though?

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