NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

[KnottyAuty]

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1
Thread #2:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth.

We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness.

As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course...

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!?

Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

Morning lovely vipers. So we are going to do the South West next. I will get the trust list sorted later this morning.

Brilliant! Thank you. I have a few busy days coming up but can get on with it from Sunday and will have plenty of time to do lots, if needed. Please allocate me some when the list is ready- I wouldn’t want all the good ones to go while I’m out and about 🤣

Big thank yous to @FarriersGirl - superb list wrangling!

Thank you!

Hi @FarriersGirl, I have submitted Sussex Community NHS Foundation Trust so I'm ready for another one (if I am missing anything out please let me know) 😀

I’d assumed something like that, but thank you for the clarification. It’s pretty dire. Again, I do wonder if it counts as libel.

I agree. IANAL but it looks pretty libellous to me. Perhaps the JKR fund for female court cases would be interested in supporting a libel case?

So for our next region we have the South West and the trust list is below. I will start allocating from tomorrow so if anyone has any special requests let me know.

Acute Trusts in the South West region

Dorset County Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Gloucestershire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
North Bristol NHS Trust
Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust
Royal Devon University Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
Royal United Hospitals Bath NHS Foundation Trust
Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust
Somerset NHS Foundation Trust
Torbay and South Devon Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Bristol and Weston NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Dorset NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Plymouth NHS Trust

Community and Mental Health Trusts and Providers

Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust
Cornwall Partnership NHS Foundation Trust
Devon Partnership NHS Trust
Dorset Health Care University Foundation Trust
Gloucestershire Health and Care NHS Foundation Trust
Livewell South West
Sirona Care and Health
Wiltshire Health and Care

Ambulance Trusts in the South West

South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust

Nothing left to allocate from the SE. Hopefully you will be up for helping with the SW?

Thanks so much to everyone motoring through these! Amazing work 😍😎🙏🏻

Just a note of caution - at the moment the links you have are for the South East. Please do make sure to get a new link for the SW when you switch over.

Its easy to lose track because the links do t use English in the URL but the landing page should be clearly marked.

its not sure if you do use the wrong region’s link but it does mean we have to manually re-enter at the back which is a bit fiddly. So best avoided if possible.

thank you!!

@FarriersGirl yes I’m happy to keep going until it’s done! 😀

@KnottyAuty where can I find the form for the SW please?

I can start up again on Sunday - happy to do any Trust

Likewise

I’ll pop the SW form link into arms tomorrow morning. Thanks!

I have had an answer from an English trust providing "Support for transgender
and non-binary people during the perinatal period - Information for service users", which is based on Brighton's policy. It fails to tell women that if they have had double mastectomies, they may have extreme pain from milk ducts producing milk with no outlet. It suggests they may be able to feed their babies if they retained their nipples and fails to spell out that there is no chance if the nipples were grafted. Serious ommissions.

The Welsh & Northern Irish FOI response rate has been poor. Some requessts were started several weeks late as messages were not received. This has never happened in the c400 other WDTK requests I have made to date.

Go figure....

The final five responses should come in next week.....

What a ghastly sounding policy!

thanks for the FOIs!

I’ve got some time at the weekend and I’d love to help, can I have one please?

Thank you for the new list @FarriersGirl Please could I take Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership

https://billieburton.medium.com/this-is-why-terfs-win-8d2d0f06b089

Beyond the far greater funding and outsized influence that anti-transgender activists and organizations enjoy, this is where the rubber meets the road.

My irony meter!

Yet the stakes are different for us. It is our flesh, blood, and mind that are affected by this nightmare. Right now, we are just trying to survive in an increasingly desperate situation. For them, this work gives an opportunity for people to feel part of something and to feel a little bit like a hero, far beyond their normal lives. They do this with zero stakes. We do not have the time and nor do we have the distance to do this so dispassionately.

#Fuckingclueless

Hollow laugh!

Its all yours - I will DM the new link in a bit.

Hi I think you are new to this, if so welcome. We will get a link sent over the DM and this contains the instructions. I will then get a trust allocated for you to do.

@debizzled by Billie no mates at a guess.

Interesting POV.

Firstly that underlying assumption that mummies are useless despite all evidence to the contrary and the surprise which generated an article.

Secondly the complete lack of understanding that these policies are unlawful, sex discriminatory and that’s why they will be removed in due course. If they don’t accept that women have legal protection then they can’t afford themselves of protection either. The Equality Act protects everyone equally

Lastly that mumsnet is just a meeting space for like minded people. If we aren’t allowed to meet and discuss our issues are they prepared to forego their LGBTQ networks and groups? (To be clear I don’t think they should)

Anyone know what sort of circulation this might get?