Trans Ex-Judge on BBC Newscast

[CaveMum]

Can’t bear to listen to it mussels, but if anyone has a string stomach/wants to take one for the team, today’s Newscast is a 43 minute long interview by Laura Kuenssberg of Victoria McCloud who is planning a challenge to overturn the Supreme Court ruling that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.

There aren’t enough 🙄 emoji’s in the world!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0lh0c9r?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

He did not claim he could get pregnant, did he?

I wonder are they trying to argue that the only reason they're not getting murdered in greater numbers is because they've all been using the women's toilets for the past 10 years? And that that's why they should keep using them?

Absolutely I'm not saying there are only two categories and that one is 'good' and the other 'not good' and that trans folx fit into one or the other just that the TRAs benefit from people who haven't thought about the implications of men in women's spaces picturing a certain type of person and that is one who is small, meek and not attracted to women. It's much easier to persuade women to agree to sharing their spaces with that stereotype than it is to sell the idea of tall, fit 'visibly still attracted to women' swimmers.

Yes. I can only assume she was working under very strict conditions of how the interview could proceed, what questions could be asked etc.

The BBC shouldn't be doing interviews like that.

Yes, that’s not an interview, it’s a platform.

He said that the pills he takes stop him getting pregnant.

Perhaps it was meant to be a joke.

He said that he took the Pill (x3, IIRC)and that among other things it stopped him - “me” - getting pregnant. The “me” was a bit unclear . I suppose it might have been a joke, but he doesn’t sound the jokey sort.
What I think is that he had the opportunity to say something completely outrageous to the BBC’s top female interviewer, thought he could probably get away with it, and did. Because who else noticed?
LK just went “mmm” as though he’d mentioned that it was a nice day.

McCloud said that someone was going to die and mentioned being at risk in toilets; specifically pub toilets. The BBC gives me the following when searching for "toilet murder" "toilet death" "toilet killing":

2003 Two men have appeared in court charged with the murder of a homeless man found dead in a public toilet in Blackpool
2007 man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter of male found dead in Plymouth toilets but released without charge
2007 two males jailed for vicious attack on 44 year old male in Kent toilets
2008 A man has been questioned on suspicion of possessing drugs and being involved in supplying them after the death of another man in public toilets in Kent.
2008 A 29-year-old man has denied the murder of another man who was stabbed to death in a public toilet in Surrey.
2008 38 year old male found dead in Brighton public toilet; toxicology results were awaited at the time of the report.
2008 Northamptonshire non suspicious death of male "known to police" in public toilets
2012 Newquay council concerned over multiple deaths in the public toilets related to drug overdoses
2014 A homeless woman was injected with heroin and died in a public toilet in Brighton. Her killer was jailed for 12 years.
2016 A man was found dead in the toilets of a Humberside pub. Two were charged but released on bail and noone has been convicted.
2017 A 32 year old man found dead in toilets at Gloucestershire Royal Hospital - considered not suspicious.
2018 A man was beaten to death in the toilets of a Greater Manchester pub in a premediated and brutal attack. His killer was sentenced to 13 years.
2019 A woman was found with head injuries in public toilet and died in Plymouth hospital 2 days later. Foul play initially suspected then ruled out. MP was 5 times over the drink drive limit.
2023 Male worker crushed under a pop-up urinal as it was being moved.
2024 Young woman discharged from prison for theft/drugs related crime collapsed in a Blackpool toilet and was undiscovered for 2 days metres from paying customers.

The risk of death in toilets in public places seems to be closely linked with males and intoxication. McCloud's claims about trans women being at risk in toilets doesn't seem to be supported by evidence...

Perhaps transwomen like the good judge are so convinced that they are women that they are confusing their possibility of being murdered with the very real statistic of women being murdered by their partner or ex partner. Isn’t that about 3 a week. Which really is something to think about and worry about, though nothing the good judge needs to fret about.

In that case I could counter that by saying women have no tolerance for letting men see their feet or hear what they are doing on the loo. That’s even without mentioning voyeurism. When there is any ambiguity, the women’s designs become private cubicles which then decreases safety for the occupant. If something bad is happening, there are no witnesses to help.

Google ‘woman child sexual assault toilet uk’ and you get pages and pages. Shopping centres, pubs, clubs, supermarkets, trains, stations, schools….

Google ‘transwoman killed toilet uk’ and there’s nothing.

@KnottyAuty I have built up a list over the last couple of years. It’s difficult to get a comprehensive database of deaths because venues and families don’t like it being in the papers. The location is disguised, particularly in supermarkets, offices etc. In terms of deaths I would say lots of mental health emergencies, heart attacks and drugs including alcohol. Others include brain injuries and strokes.
It should definitely be researched more, so more deaths can be prevented.

Cripes! Surely it was a joke.

It's interesting to compare how this BBC interview with Kathleen Stock was conducted, albeit a few years previously.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct1n6y

One does wonder, I mean he says he’s a woman, what level of delusion is ruled out?

"If I've not seen it, and my friends haven't seen it and also the female people that I know wouldn't be bothered if it happened...I do question the truth of the extent of this". For anyone who couldn't sit through the whole thing that was VMC pontificating about the men who abuse TWAW to enter women's spaces for their own ends (pervs, flashers etc).

I think he needs to take a hell of a lot more of his pills to keep growing that empathy as he's clearly not quite there yet.

Quite. Imagine how little there must have been before the pills?

“also the female people that I know wouldn't be bothered if it happened“

So he thinks his female friends and relatives would be fine with a flasher or a perv in their spaces? I’m guessing he’s too busy being a narcissist to listen to anything they actually said. Because it wasn’t that.

If 'inclusive' polices just urge everyone to use the toilet where they feel most comfortable, the question of whether trans women are a threat isn't even relevant - any man can use any facility.

If anyone can use the facilities they are most comfortable with, TW are likely to be in the womens toilet alone with other men sometimes.

If they really believe that they are uniquely in danger from using the facilities at the same time as other men, they would think twice about going into the womens toilet.

I think the point is that if VMC were to go into the men's toilets everyone who was previously in doubt of his sex would now know he was trans and a transohobic bashing would follow. This would be less likely were VMC to continue using the ladies. He likely sees the trade off of potentially being exposed to pervs and flashers in the ladies pretending to be trans as a decent trade off (for him). But they never actually flesh out this argument which is odd because, imo, it IS a reasonable argument to have that could be discussed and compromises reached such as gender neutral as well as single sex provisions.

If this is a problem - if - then it's a problem for a man, caused by other men. It should be fixed by fixing men's behaviour. It's not appropriate to address an entirely male-on-male issue by disadvantaging women.

VMC civil partner is trans Annie who is a psychiatrist.

https://kenwardtrust.org.uk/news/kj47a84v9wj6yjoo5m7n8iegrw7w9v

Absolutely agree. It's just weird to me that they never say this whole argument.

So?

This assumes these men all pass as women and the transphobes haven't clocked them as trans...

The video footage of the march in Blackpool the other day really highlighted the problem with this assumption well.