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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Simone Biles attacks Riley Gaines

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ItsCoolForCats · 07/06/2025 09:59

Simone Biles has come out in defence of males in women's sports, and has attacked Riley Gaines for fighting against it. She said on Twitter:

"@RileyGaines
You’re truly sick, all of this campaigning because you lost a race. Straight up sore loser. You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding a way to make sports inclusive OR creating a new avenue where trans feel safe in sports. Maybe a transgender category IN ALL sports!! But instead… You bully them… One things for sure is no one in sports is safe with you around!!!!!"

So, so disappointing. Both my daughters do gymnastics and are huge SB fans, so it is awful for her to show such contempt towards RG, who is fighting for a level playing field for women and girls in sport. And to suggest a separate category as if nobody has ever thought of that and tried it 🤦🏻‍♀️

https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 07/06/2025 18:27

When your 4'8" everyone looks like a giant to you, maybe the comment was 'small women' syndrome.
Are we sure SB is black, or is she just 'identifying' as black, I mean my senses tell me she's black, but my senses tell me the Lisa Thomas is a man, and apparently my senses are wrong, he's a 'women'.
RG's politics are irrelevant, she's been campaigning to get men out of women sports, the fact that she, along with 77 million other Americans, is MAGA is DARVO, it was a nasty post, the fact that is start with "You're truly sick..." says it all.

usedtobeaylis · 07/06/2025 18:32

RomanCavalryChoir · 07/06/2025 17:58

Presumably you're calling for Democrat women to step in and engage in activism like RG has then. Could you link us to these posts please?

This is such a good fucking point.

LittleBitofBread · 07/06/2025 18:41

SpidersAreShitheads · 07/06/2025 18:26

My politics are very left wing and yet I can acknowledge that historically, Kemi Badenoch has been great at defending women's rights and fighting for our rights to single sex spaces and clear language.

There is very little else I agree with Kemi on. And I thought she was way off the mark with her speech regarding maternity leave.

The fact that we are diametrically opposed politically doesn't mean I can't applaud her stance on women's rights, and appreciate the work she's done in this area.

Kellie Jay Keene is another example. I'm not a fan of her politics but she's a fucking warrior when it comes to fighting for women's rights.

Same with Riley Gaines.

I don't have to like the fact she's MAGA or agree with the rest of her politics to appreciate the fact that she's willing to stand up for the rights of women to be safe, and to compete fairly in sport.

If the orange toddler himself comes out with a speech tomorrow about the importance of finding a cure for cancer, am I supposed to disagree just because it's Trump, and we all know he's a vile, corrupt, misogynistic sexual offender?

Simone Biles (appropriate name) defended a women's team that won with transgender participants. She attacked Riley's appearance, mocked her athletic record, and suggested that women have to find solutions that appease men - while steadfastly being ignorant of the fact that women have TRIED but nothing other than dominating women, removing their rights, and taking their spaces is good enough for some.

You don't have to like ANYTHING about Riley Gaines to agree that Biles' behaviour is absolutely disgusting.

Simone Biles (appropriate name) defended a women's team that won with transgender participants.
Hang on, the US women’s gymnasts have TIMs in their team?

SigourneyHoward · 07/06/2025 18:46

Possibly not to be found @RomanCavalryChoir, skip described feminism as an entitled, special princess movement. I mean we can all see there’s not a more explicit sense of princessy entitlement than expecting women’s sport to be for women…

WithSilverBells · 07/06/2025 18:53

Helleofabore · 07/06/2025 18:26

Do we need a definition of ‘far right’ by the way?

What makes the Republican Party ‘far right’ rather than merely ‘right wing’?

Indeed. Are 'Reform and their handmaidens' far right like PP suggests? What do we call parties to the right of Reform? Who gets to decide? BBC?

SpidersAreShitheads · 07/06/2025 18:56

LittleBitofBread · 07/06/2025 18:41

Simone Biles (appropriate name) defended a women's team that won with transgender participants.
Hang on, the US women’s gymnasts have TIMs in their team?

Haha, no, sorry, I wasn't clear!

It's a girls' softball team that have a trans-identifying male as their pitcher and unsurprisingly won.

Riley commented on that, which prompted Simone Biles attack on her, accusing Riley of bullying the team.

Biles was defending the softball team that won the female tournament by fielding a male participant in a key position.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/06/2025 19:01

How ridiculous.

Helleofabore · 07/06/2025 19:01

For those wanting to see one of the tweets that kicked this off, it was a tweet about this winning team. The male pitcher did an awesome job! But was on the female team. Not one girl leaving the plate for first base.

x.com/riley_gaines_/status/1931057465887728023?s=46

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 07/06/2025 19:03

Helleofabore · 07/06/2025 18:26

Do we need a definition of ‘far right’ by the way?

What makes the Republican Party ‘far right’ rather than merely ‘right wing’?

It’s anything that @Skipthisbit doesn’t agree with I think.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 07/06/2025 19:07

NautilusLionfish · 07/06/2025 12:40

But SB cant hold whatever views she wants? Like I said, I also disagree with SB's unnecessary jab on RG's looks. But I agree the world needs to find a solution and one solution could be - as SB and many others suggest, a separate category. And I agree with RG that men shouldnt be in women's sport but I disagree with her support for a man taking reproductive rights away from women, from people of colour, taking away lifesaving food and medicines (its already bought and being allowed to rot/expire) to the world's most vulnerable. You support whoever you want and their views.

Simone Biles' views seem to be that it is OK to body shame other female athletes and that it is Riley Gaines' job to ensure trans inclusion in sports.

Trans people are already included in sports providing they respect the same anti doping rules as anyone else.

If Simone Biles thinks transgender sporting categories are the answer and that it is up to female athletes to make that happen, she should volunteer herself for the job, not Riley Gaines.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 07/06/2025 19:15

ItsCoolForCats · 07/06/2025 13:03

Of course SB can hold whatever views she wants. But if she posts something on a social media platform, especially something as astoundingly ignorant as she posted, she can expect pushback.

Please tell us what relevance RG's views on reproductive rights and politics have on the issue of men competing in women's sports?

None whatsoever.

FrippEnos · 07/06/2025 19:35

If we are to take people's actions into this doesn't that mean that those on the "Left" that support trans-activism.

Are Pro no-debate
Beat women up
Kidnap women when they try and discuss the issues
Hold women for ransom when they try and discuss the issues
Are against women only spaces.
Hate lesbians as they won't sleep with men (homophobic)
Hate gay men as they won't sleep with women (homophobic)
Ignore the law (both UK and US) (criminals)
Ignore safeguarding for children.

And these are ones directly related to the right wing/left wing way the thread has gone.

Or alternatively we are allowed to support causes and ignore others politics.

And Simone Biles is just another sports person pulling the ladder up behind them.

ItsCoolForCats · 07/06/2025 19:38

Helleofabore · 07/06/2025 19:01

For those wanting to see one of the tweets that kicked this off, it was a tweet about this winning team. The male pitcher did an awesome job! But was on the female team. Not one girl leaving the plate for first base.

x.com/riley_gaines_/status/1931057465887728023?s=46

And this is the Guardians write up of the whole thing, talking about how supportive the trans player's teammates are, but not a word about how the opposition teams might have felt. And and all those who piled on to criticise Biles were right wing conservatives and influencers of course. No mention of the fact that 80% of Americans don't support males playing in women's sport. Such balanced journalism 🙄

www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/07/simone-biles-riley-gaines-trans-athlete-twitter

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IndigoBluey · 07/06/2025 19:42

Wow the comments on her Insta are blowing up. Im guessing it’s a matter of time before her PR shut down posting comments which is always what happens when these people can’t quite fathom a decent response in their defence. I wonder how SB would enjoy having a male gymnast in the women’s team

TheCatsTongue · 07/06/2025 19:42

When you can't defend the indefensible you have to distract and discredit. Riley Gaines is right about the unfairness of males in female sport and this is what the subject is about.

If she is against abortion, well I disagree with her over that, I don't support her views on abortion just because I support her views on males in female sport.

But nuance doesn't exist with people who roll out the "far right" label for everyone they don't agree with.

ItsCoolForCats · 07/06/2025 19:49

IndigoBluey · 07/06/2025 19:42

Wow the comments on her Insta are blowing up. Im guessing it’s a matter of time before her PR shut down posting comments which is always what happens when these people can’t quite fathom a decent response in their defence. I wonder how SB would enjoy having a male gymnast in the women’s team

Presumably all those commenting will be dismissed as nasty right-wingers as well

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AliasGrace47 · 07/06/2025 19:52

While I respect Gaines' advocacy, I dislike her. She's pretty chummy w orgs like the Alliance Defending Freedom who oppose lgb rights not just t.

Simone Biles' comments are awful though. I used to really admire her but it's hard to forgive this.

I do think the focus on Gaines' case can be counterproductive as TRAs counter that she only tied for 5th place w Lia Thomas, rather than being blatantly beaten. Angela Carini is a much better case to argue w as we all saw brutal violence & unfairness there... Or Semenya, who has lied about being a man all along.

AliasGrace47 · 07/06/2025 19:53

TheCatsTongue · 07/06/2025 19:42

When you can't defend the indefensible you have to distract and discredit. Riley Gaines is right about the unfairness of males in female sport and this is what the subject is about.

If she is against abortion, well I disagree with her over that, I don't support her views on abortion just because I support her views on males in female sport.

But nuance doesn't exist with people who roll out the "far right" label for everyone they don't agree with.

She does ally w stuff like the Alliance Defending Freedom who are pretty virulent about lgb people, as well as the charmingly homophobic Kirk Cameron. This does NOT invalidate her trans opinions.

AliasGrace47 · 07/06/2025 20:02

Arran2024 · 07/06/2025 15:18

Nice try to undermine RG and her personal experience of being told not to complain about a fully intact male changing in the locker room with the girls. Thomas is a straight man. This would be unheard of if he didn't claim to be a woman.

The views of Gaines on abortion etc are completely irrelevant in the context of sport. Her views by the way are shared by many millions of Americans.

I agree that her trans advocacy is v important. But re abortion, her views being shared by millions of Americans doesn't make them any more acceptable just bc many share them. Millions of 1950s Americans supported segregation, and the criminalisation of homosexuality was supported by many into the 90s. As Anatole France said, ' If 40 million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.'

AliasGrace47 · 07/06/2025 20:08

BundleBoogie · 07/06/2025 17:18

Well she’s not going to be campaigning for the Democrats is she?

If you check the title and OP, this thread is still about Simone Biles vile attack on Riley, not a generalised critique of Riley’s (claimed by you) political views.

Would you rather she wasn’t campaigning to remove men from women’s sports? Who would pass your political purity test and have the courage and impetus to do this?

Ofc she wouldn't campaign for the dems. But it's much more than that. As we've seen, she's v anti abortion & lgb rights, among others. This does not negate her trans advocacy, but it doesn't make her 'marvellous' as pps called her.

AliasGrace47 · 07/06/2025 20:12

SionnachRuadh · 07/06/2025 17:45

As things stand there's Martina and... that seems to be it?

I assume lots of them are worried about SM backlash or losing sponsorship, and even in tennis where the money is quite good, there's a lot more money in sponsorship deals than prize money.

But that doesn't let retired sportswomen off the hook.

I'm glad we don't have this American hyper-partisanship. I have no idea what way Sharron Davies or Mara Yamauchi vote, and don't really care. Nor do I know what opinions they have on other issues.

I agree about partisanship. I don't think the 2 you mentioned are politically active apart from on trans stuff tho, while Gaines is actively pushing the above anti-abortion & lgb etc on her podcast. However, in the trans struggle we need all support.

Kinsters · 07/06/2025 20:16

Disappointing that the guardian article doesn't acknowledge that separate categories for transgender people are something that, I imagine, most women are hugely in favour of. It paints the GC side as wanting to stop transwomen playing at all which just isn't the case.

AliasGrace47 · 07/06/2025 20:17

Arran2024 · 07/06/2025 12:39

She doesn't have to care about women's reproductive rights though, does she? It's a free country and she can take whatever position she likes. We can disagree with her if we like, but tbf the USA is very different from the UK when it comes to issues like abortion and plenty of people over there agree with her.

I just can't believe that people chastise her for "only coming 5th". Not everyone can be the winner. She was an elite swimmer. She took part in Olympic trials. She was there when Lia Thomas was trying to set a precedent which, if not for Riley, he might have gotten away with, and she has every right to campaign against it.

I don't really like this attitude that the US is v different & many agree, so that makes these opinions more acceptable. As I put in previous posts , segregation & other extreme views were popular there not all that long ago. Does that make it more excusable- bc lots of people believe it? There is never an excuse for not thinking for oneself. If we all stuck w what everyone else believed we'd still be in the Dark Ages.

Butchyrestingface · 07/06/2025 20:25

Is RG notoriously MAGA (more so than the rest of Americans who voted Trump)? Not that it would change my stance on supporting her re trans swimmers in women's competition.

But I saw her giving a House speech after the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act 2025 was passed. She seemed really angry at Democrats - due to their stance on women's rights - rather than a massive Trump stan. The view she expressed was that Trump won the 2024 election not simply because of his politics and what he offered America but - her words - because the American people made a commonsense choice to reject the Democrat party's "absurdity" on the issue of trans ideology (among other things).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/06/2025 20:29

AliasGrace47 · 07/06/2025 19:52

While I respect Gaines' advocacy, I dislike her. She's pretty chummy w orgs like the Alliance Defending Freedom who oppose lgb rights not just t.

Simone Biles' comments are awful though. I used to really admire her but it's hard to forgive this.

I do think the focus on Gaines' case can be counterproductive as TRAs counter that she only tied for 5th place w Lia Thomas, rather than being blatantly beaten. Angela Carini is a much better case to argue w as we all saw brutal violence & unfairness there... Or Semenya, who has lied about being a man all along.

Riley Gaines has a different perspective in that Thomas was also being a creep in the changing rooms. It’s not necessary to agree with her on anything else, or like her. But her voice is important IMO.