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Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets

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fromorbit · 07/06/2025 07:38

After raising over 418K it turns out the GLP's amazing legal case is all about toilets. Details:

https://archive.is/TWRTl

No doubt it will fail like most of their previous legal cases.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action | Mumsnet

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-) [[https://good...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

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GailBlancheViola · 13/06/2025 15:55

DrudgeJedd · 13/06/2025 12:20

Being dishonest again on Bluesky, he's put his own words in quotes after a link to the EHRC/TKDB judgement so it looks like he's actually quoting the judge. He then blocks anyone who points out how misleading this is, screenshot for when he gets round to blocking/deleting as usual.

A body set up to protect trans rights

That just proves that JM thinks that the only rights are trans rights, no-one else has any or should expect any.

The man has completely lost it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2025 16:12

Baroness Falkner had to point out that there were actually 9 protected characteristics that needed to be accommodated several times in the shit show the other day.

SionnachRuadh · 13/06/2025 16:20

I see he's bigging up the groomers' journal aka Teen Vogue.

TheOtherRaven · 13/06/2025 16:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2025 16:12

Baroness Falkner had to point out that there were actually 9 protected characteristics that needed to be accommodated several times in the shit show the other day.

It is front and centre. They really don't believe equalities and inclusion and 'rights' and 'human rights' mean anything other than trans identified men. (And trans identified women a bit. Sometimes. If it's useful to the men to mention them)

They really don't see the point or need for anyone else's rights, they have no respect for anyone else's rights, they don't want equality, they want to be the single and only focus and feel quite entitled and justified in this.

This is what you get when you repeatedly pander for years. They've been indulged all down the line because it was 'kind'.

SionnachRuadh · 13/06/2025 16:42

Let's say there's a reasonable chance of a Reform government after the next election. From listening to people in Reform I'd say there are two schools of thought on the Equality Act, "let's review it to see if we can make it more sensible" and "let's scrap it altogether".

I'd prefer the former. These muppets are making it more likely we get the latter.

KnottyAuty · 13/06/2025 16:47

TheOtherRaven · 13/06/2025 16:37

It is front and centre. They really don't believe equalities and inclusion and 'rights' and 'human rights' mean anything other than trans identified men. (And trans identified women a bit. Sometimes. If it's useful to the men to mention them)

They really don't see the point or need for anyone else's rights, they have no respect for anyone else's rights, they don't want equality, they want to be the single and only focus and feel quite entitled and justified in this.

This is what you get when you repeatedly pander for years. They've been indulged all down the line because it was 'kind'.

Don’t forget the suffering of butch lesbians which has suddenly become a grave concern

KnottyAuty · 13/06/2025 16:49

SionnachRuadh · 13/06/2025 16:42

Let's say there's a reasonable chance of a Reform government after the next election. From listening to people in Reform I'd say there are two schools of thought on the Equality Act, "let's review it to see if we can make it more sensible" and "let's scrap it altogether".

I'd prefer the former. These muppets are making it more likely we get the latter.

Next year are the Scottish elections. They have proportional representation which is how Maggie Chapman got her seat…. Reform may have a chance of more seats there than Westminster if people choose them as a protest vote.

Dwimmer · 13/06/2025 17:04

KnottyAuty · 13/06/2025 16:49

Next year are the Scottish elections. They have proportional representation which is how Maggie Chapman got her seat…. Reform may have a chance of more seats there than Westminster if people choose them as a protest vote.

Edited

Frustratingly it only took 6% of people voting Green (not a named candidate) to get Maggie Chapman. I hope more people now realise Greens aren’t in it for the environment.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 13/06/2025 17:09

Not really sure what thread this should live on, but good to know that Zoe will be able to use the 'right' loos and reside in a women's prison if GLP are successful

Former PCSO tried to build a gun using 3D printer (telegraph.co.uk)

ArabellaScott · 13/06/2025 17:27

KnottyAuty · 13/06/2025 16:47

Don’t forget the suffering of butch lesbians which has suddenly become a grave concern

Well, specifically butch lesbians in their droves suddenly, coincidentally, being mistaken for men.

Nobody seems to gaf that lesbians now have had their rights to lesbian only groups clarified in law.

TheOtherRaven · 13/06/2025 17:31

Women and their needs and feelings are only ever of the faintest interest to this movement when it is useful to the agenda of the men.

moto748e · 13/06/2025 17:38

Yeah the butch lesbians bit, funny that. The thought's been going through my head a lot lately, as said by @OldCrone ; just not believing in this whole phenomenon of 'trans kids', as promoted by the likes of David Tennant. I don't know which is worse; that it sets unhappy youngsters on a path that can lead to butchering their own bodies before they have full awareness, or that it legitimises, and also create a pipe-line for a cohort of middle-aged men. So I would love to see more people coming out and saying publicly, "I don't believe in trans kids".

RethinkingLife · 13/06/2025 17:43

ArabellaScott · 13/06/2025 17:27

Well, specifically butch lesbians in their droves suddenly, coincidentally, being mistaken for men.

Nobody seems to gaf that lesbians now have had their rights to lesbian only groups clarified in law.

I saw this happen in real time in a meeting. A self-described butch lesbian had emailed a colleague to say she was anxious about the possibility of being challenged in an airport bathroom after all she’d heard about the SC ruling and the outbreak of this in the UK. (Travelling from overseas to UK. )

Within seconds other people were apologising for the assault (that hadn’t happened) and asking if she had reported it. After that we had denunciations of JKR, the British public, the UK legal system and the usual canards about the Stonewall origin story.

I was an observer with no microphone access nor access to the chat. Probably just as well. I’d probably have been denounced and shredded before mass reporting.

Merrymouse · 13/06/2025 17:56

RethinkingLife · 13/06/2025 17:43

I saw this happen in real time in a meeting. A self-described butch lesbian had emailed a colleague to say she was anxious about the possibility of being challenged in an airport bathroom after all she’d heard about the SC ruling and the outbreak of this in the UK. (Travelling from overseas to UK. )

Within seconds other people were apologising for the assault (that hadn’t happened) and asking if she had reported it. After that we had denunciations of JKR, the British public, the UK legal system and the usual canards about the Stonewall origin story.

I was an observer with no microphone access nor access to the chat. Probably just as well. I’d probably have been denounced and shredded before mass reporting.

And then they gave her a pay rise because obviously if people are genuinely assuming she is male she gets all the privilege too?

DrudgeJedd · 30/06/2025 11:41

X thread
Just bumping this thread to update on what appears to be some fairly opaque GoFundMe shenanigans between the GLP and Queen of UK Feminism Patsy Stevenson

https://x.com/Wonkypolicywonk/status/1939630180881883183?t=Uf14GoCkhCsrRP7rKRWS9w&s=19

Igneococcus · 01/07/2025 06:13

The Church of Scotland flouting the law, saying
"The church has claimed that its trans-inclusive stance was based on the advice of “legal experts” such as the activist group Stonewall and the Good Law Project run by the barrister Jolyon Maugham, which is seeking to overturn the Supreme Court ruling."
https://www.thetimes.com/article/1d70a6ee-2ff1-4421-9f73-a7b57009c47c?shareToken=fee6e302747d422dce976601b36c9f60

Church flouted law by letting trans woman use girls’ toilet

Kirk told mother of an 11-year-old girl that it was lawful for a biological male to use women-only spaces despite the Supreme Court ruling

https://www.thetimes.com/article/1d70a6ee-2ff1-4421-9f73-a7b57009c47c?shareToken=fee6e302747d422dce976601b36c9f60

fromorbit · 01/07/2025 07:47

With the Patsy saga developing GLP are coming further under the spotlight.

Another big question is this.

Note the deadline for submissions passed yesterday and the GLP still haven't actually done more than issue a letter. They claimed they would do something against the EHCR/Supreme Court only never said how.

They raised more than 500,000 K. What are they going to do with it. Besides buying Kimonos.

Liberty actually got to court against the EHCR in that time, only to utterly fail. At least they did something.

More details.

https://labourpainsblog.com/2025/06/27/taking-liberties-and-cash-the-supreme-court-lawfare-of-translucent-liberty-and-the-good-law-project/

However the money hasn't been wasted from our perspective. It could have been spent in more dangerous ways. Agent Maugham is one of the biggest assets we have. TAs losing cases is almost as helpful to us as our excellent lawyers winning them and if you need to lose a case then get GLP in stat.

Taking liberties (and cash): the Supreme Court lawfare of TransLucent, Liberty and the Good Law Project

Since the Supreme Court ruling on the meaning of ‘sex’ in the Equality Act on 16 April, three organisations – the trans advocacy group TransLucent, the civil liberties group Liber…

https://labourpainsblog.com/2025/06/27/taking-liberties-and-cash-the-supreme-court-lawfare-of-translucent-liberty-and-the-good-law-project/

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TheOtherRaven · 01/07/2025 08:05

From the article: Little of this is complicated, yet the Scottish government and public bodies such as the Scottish Prison Service continue to behave as though the law were a mystery wrapped in a conundrum inside a quandary.

It's well put.

The last dot needs to be joined however, which is to note the misogyny. The absolute lack of value for women. The absolute unwillingness to meet women's legal protections and equalities.

They can whine about the needs of men endlessly: they are not capable of even mentioning care and concern like that for women and the many issues of the mixed sex provision they enforced. Never mind to treat women with equality.

This is the truly shameful part and it needs pointing out in capital letters everywhere. The still incredibly male dominated establishment of the UK has a very serious women problem. This mess would not have been able to take hold as it has if it was not for an establishment that has run to embrace anti-women policy and sentiment.

HardyNavyBear · 03/07/2025 16:19

BundleBoogie · 07/06/2025 09:08

Many people have told us they’ve been instructed to use different changing rooms and toilets at work, sometimes resulting in stress that has left them unfit to continue working.

If he is not lying to further his own ends, that is encouraging news if many organisations have reacted to the SC and are enforcing sensible rules. It does cast a light on what it might be like to employ such fragile people and the costs of sick leave due to not getting their own way.

As an aside, in a hugely positive development, Michael Foran appears to have reformed his previous approach of using the prescribed language ‘transwomen’ etc and is now using the far clearer ‘transvestite’ to describe the men clamouring to use women’s spaces and rejecting all reasonable accommodations.

Just another TA who is crazy. Funny how they don’t give a shit that women are stressed when they see men in the loo or in our prisons or our DV shelters or our sports. Some women are even triggered when they see men in our private spaces because they are survivors of SA, rape and DV, but who gives a shit about how women feel.

This is the most insane group of people. They have no sense of reality or other people’s rights. All they care about is society (specifically women) validating their mental illness. Get these nuts out of our private spaces.

HardyNavyBear · 03/07/2025 16:28

SabrinaThwaite · 07/06/2025 11:42

My point was more that they obviously have the choice of using the toilets for their sex or using the unisex ones, but neither of those gives them the validation they want.

It’s a massive stretch to for the GLP to infer that there’s some kind of urinary leash because they don’t want to use the reasonable adjustments provided for them.

Agreed. They will never advocate for third spaces because that won’t validate their supposed “identities” which ironically are based on the very same gender stereotypes they profess they want to abolish.

TheOtherRaven · 03/07/2025 16:31

HardyNavyBear · 03/07/2025 16:28

Agreed. They will never advocate for third spaces because that won’t validate their supposed “identities” which ironically are based on the very same gender stereotypes they profess they want to abolish.

The activists have been perfectly happy for women who could not use mixed sex spaces to be in the real situation of the urinary leash - no one was offering them any alternatives - so it's surprising they think this experience is ok to do to women, but wholly unacceptable to do to men.

HardyNavyBear · 03/07/2025 16:35

TheOtherRaven · 07/06/2025 13:35

As to the outing issue.... this political movement is bloody dripping with balaclavas.

The “outing” issue is another problem I have with TAs.

When was someone’s sex expected to be private? We all walk around experiencing life and every person we meet knows the others sex just by looking at them (except in rare instances). In the real world, there is no expectation of privacy of one’s sex because we all can glaringly see the sex of each person we meet just by looking at their face, body build, and clothes. The human brain is trained to recognize someone’s sex from the time we are born and socialized. Only trans people care because they are presenting lies to society about their sex.

Datun · 03/07/2025 16:45

HardyNavyBear · 03/07/2025 16:35

The “outing” issue is another problem I have with TAs.

When was someone’s sex expected to be private? We all walk around experiencing life and every person we meet knows the others sex just by looking at them (except in rare instances). In the real world, there is no expectation of privacy of one’s sex because we all can glaringly see the sex of each person we meet just by looking at their face, body build, and clothes. The human brain is trained to recognize someone’s sex from the time we are born and socialized. Only trans people care because they are presenting lies to society about their sex.

The judges in the original Goodwin privacy case never laid eyes on him. It was all done in court with just barristers.

If they had, they'd have realised he had no hope of disguising his sex, so any 'privacy' around it was moot.

People seem to have bought the the propaganda, hook line and sinker, that not only is a sex change practically possible, but that the subsequent male individual will be indistinguishable from a woman.

All disseminated deliberately, of course, by trans lobbyists.

People definitely seem to have wised up now tho. Although, there still seem to be a few deluded individuals remaining

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/07/2025 18:13

It’s complete nonsense yet they’ve managed to frame it as “sensitive medical information” which is entirely down to the existence of the GRA.

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