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Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets

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fromorbit · 07/06/2025 07:38

After raising over 418K it turns out the GLP's amazing legal case is all about toilets. Details:

https://archive.is/TWRTl

No doubt it will fail like most of their previous legal cases.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action | Mumsnet

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-) [[https://good...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/11/2025 11:22

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/11/2025 01:05

I just realised that the TKDB logo is a chess pawn wearing a fool's cap. Whichever adult behind the scenes designed that was laughing his sides sore about hiding that message in plain sight.

Edited

As these men so often do.

MyrtleLion · 24/11/2025 11:58

MyrtleLion · 23/11/2025 23:35

I welcome the move to accessible toilets, noting the issues that enclosed cubicles bring. A lot of disability is invisible. I know a man who looks very dapper and is mostly able-bodied. He has an ostomy bag that needs emptying 6-8 times a day, so he uses the accessible toilet.

Others have IBS, or autism that means they need a self-enclosed cubicle.

If I see someone going to the accessible toilet and they're not in a wheelchair, I automatically think they must be trans. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

So Ophelia is right, at some point we have to address the real reason men who identify as women want to use the ladies. It's to titillate their sexual fetish. This is also not something that women who identify as men have. Once again we are succumbing to what men want.

The government might not be so ready to plead for such men, if they knew the real reason for them wanting to use women's facilities.

That should have read I DON'T automatically think they are trans.

MyrtleLion · 24/11/2025 12:00

Bangbangwhizzbang · 24/11/2025 09:20

If I see someone going to the accessible toilet and they're not in a wheelchair, I automatically think they must be trans. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Really? If I saw a man in women’s clothes then yes but not otherwise (I wouldn’t assume a woman in man’s clothes was trans as so many women wear men’s clothes without that belief system). You would think this even though you list in your post reasons why people not in a wheelchair may need accessible toilets?

It was a typo 😞

Keeptoiletssafe · 24/11/2025 12:17

Yes don’t worry @MyrtleLion I thought it was a typo. It’s one reason why accessible toilets are called accessible rather than disabled. People with invisible disabilities but ambulant are often better in single sex toilets too. It’s important all disabilities are looked at, of course. And disabled/accessible toilets are absolutely the ones we should be concerned about the most as they are often left in a shocking state and misused - even for storage.

I noticed another set of council loos has been closed up north for lewd behaviour. People coordinating travelling out of area to ‘use’ them was the last straw for the council. I am in a bad mood today. We are not going to have any council run public toilets left at this rate.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 24/11/2025 13:09

Keeptoiletssafe · 24/11/2025 12:17

Yes don’t worry @MyrtleLion I thought it was a typo. It’s one reason why accessible toilets are called accessible rather than disabled. People with invisible disabilities but ambulant are often better in single sex toilets too. It’s important all disabilities are looked at, of course. And disabled/accessible toilets are absolutely the ones we should be concerned about the most as they are often left in a shocking state and misused - even for storage.

I noticed another set of council loos has been closed up north for lewd behaviour. People coordinating travelling out of area to ‘use’ them was the last straw for the council. I am in a bad mood today. We are not going to have any council run public toilets left at this rate.

"People".

I'm going to guess these "people" all had a mysterious quality in common, a weird biological feature that TRAs claim is soooo complicaated that no one can ever really say for sure, yet somehow still manages to be massively overrepresented in the sexual aggregressor/transgressor population.

😡😡😡

Keeptoiletssafe · 24/11/2025 13:24

It’s not until you look at toilet safety that you realise how important it all is to get design right and how they can not be compared with home toilets. And also the importance of speaking out.
The Smith Street toilets story always gets to me as people knew it was going on, they must have done, the council building looked down on them.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-child-abuse-scandal-report-14525144.amp

moto748e · 24/11/2025 13:39

That's an awful read. Smith was a monster, but so many are culpable. They could see it out of the window, FFS!

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/11/2025 14:19

Brainworm · 05/07/2025 13:19

My professional exposes me to lots of people with trans identities. Very few act and behave like the trans activists’ behaviour reported/shared on this board.

Newsflash: people rein in their bad behaviour at work to avoid being fired and some rein it in when interacting with HCPs because they know they'll get struck off the practice list if they don't.

The true measure of how someone behaves is how they treat someone who lacks any power over them.

Keeptoiletssafe · 24/11/2025 14:24

If the Good Law Project are watching this thread, please can you note I want to keep everyone safe.

I am looking at what trans people are saying about toilets and organisations like Translucent and Stonewall too. If you look at Translucent (2025) and Stonewall (2018) in terms of their literature on toilets, the worst case scenario is a man flashed a transwoman in protest about using the ladies and a transwoman was pushed out of the ladies by two women when they refused to leave. These incidences can not have been nice and there are lots more incidences of people telling others they shouldn’t be in the toilets they are using.

But in absolute terms of being safe in a public toilet you can’t beat a toilet where the occupant isn’t in a completely private place. That has to be a single sex design. But door gaps have being reducing in single sex provision too. It is now 5mm in some school designs. Part of that is because the area in front of the toilets has to be single sex and in ‘inclusive’ toilets it is not. If it’s ambiguous, or mixed sex, the obvious thing is to make it all private, which coincidently seems to be your argument. ‘Gender neutral’ designs are always completely private.

If you want to make safer toilets for transgender people, you should argue for a U.K. toilet design first - make mixed sex toilets with door gaps. These are not allowed under building regs (Document T which uses bs6465 as a base) and 1974 and 1992 legislation, so you could use that 500k you’ve raised to help you sort new legislation out. I would bet no biological women would use them. I don’t think most biological men would be that happy either.

You will also have problem with voyeurism laws and Section 71 of the UK's Sexual Offences Act 2003. This section makes it a criminal offence to intentionally engage in sexual activity in a public lavatory. An activity is considered sexual if a reasonable person would consider it sexual, regardless of the person's purpose. Making toilets private has handily avoided too much use of Clause 71. Out of sight, and all that. But it also protects transgender people if they are worried about assault, sexual or otherwise. Most men aren’t bad. Most men will come to another man’s aid if they were being assaulted, or at least raise the alarm if they had an idea what was happening.

I believe transgender people are still safest in the toilet (with door gaps) for their biological sex. If they do not use the correct toilet for their biological sex, then legally all toilets should change to universal design. This disadvantages everyone and there will result in more deaths and assaults that could have been prevented. It will be the most vulnerable that suffer.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/11/2025 14:31

Brainworm · 05/07/2025 12:49

The PP seemed to be saying that people with trans identities should not be distressed by being male because they are male. I was highlighting that other facts - such as knowing everyone dies, doesn’t stop us feeling distressed when someone dies.

Someone being bereaved isn't my problem to deal with either.

The emotional labour of supporting bereaved people also gets dumped on women. We are allowed to say "no" to this.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 24/11/2025 14:43

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/11/2025 14:19

Newsflash: people rein in their bad behaviour at work to avoid being fired and some rein it in when interacting with HCPs because they know they'll get struck off the practice list if they don't.

The true measure of how someone behaves is how they treat someone who lacks any power over them.

This. Lundy Bancroft with a career spent working with violent male offenders who have domestically abused women, says in at least one of his books that among all the men who claim 'they couldn't help it' when they attacked their wives and girlfriends because trauma/anger issues/frustration etc, have never lost it with their boss at work . When a man murders his wife and kids there are often people lining up to say what a lovely top bloke he was.

It does not matter if some are lovely, it really doesn't. You will not get to pick whether you're taking your clothes off with a lovely man, one with a sword, one with a barbed wire wrapped baseball bat, or one who'll leave you so badly injured you'll never bear children. You don't control that. You just take your clothes off and hope.

If, that is, you're lucky enough not to be a woman excluded anyway because any man, even if he's been sainted, is still a man and choosing to create a mixed sex space that just ended your access so he can express his inner self.

JamieCannister · 24/11/2025 16:16

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/11/2025 01:05

I just realised that the TKDB logo is a chess pawn wearing a fool's cap. Whichever adult behind the scenes designed that was laughing his sides sore about hiding that message in plain sight.

Edited

I wonder if it was a GC or an evil middle aged male TRA that was laughing though?

(One of?) their motto(s) seems to be "'Not pawns for your politics".

Surely that's like having a campaign group protesting "Trans Women are Women" and using a cock and balls as the logo! Literally the logo is what you say you are not.

Having googled it would appear that the designer of the logo was a trans activist who appears to be a female and vulnerable-looking she/they.

TwoDrifters2 · 24/11/2025 17:53

@Keeptoiletssafe Just out of interest, (and only because you have done so much research in this area!), are there any easy signs to spot if someone has voyeuristically set up a camera in a public toilet? Are there obvious places to look for one, in order to stay safe when using public loos?

Keeptoiletssafe · 24/11/2025 23:46

TwoDrifters2 · 24/11/2025 17:53

@Keeptoiletssafe Just out of interest, (and only because you have done so much research in this area!), are there any easy signs to spot if someone has voyeuristically set up a camera in a public toilet? Are there obvious places to look for one, in order to stay safe when using public loos?

I am not hugely knowledgeable I am afraid. I would be careful of fans, dryers, vent grills in the ceiling, under sinks, items above that look like ‘alarms’. You can pick up reflections of tiny cameras with your phone torch sometimes.

Here’s a recent article:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/27/secret-spy-cameras-voyeurism-uk

I am of the opinion that toilet cubicles should be as simple and plain as possible.

The Scottish Parliament case is unusual in that it was a man filming men. It’s men that set cameras up in unisex toilets or women's normally. I am presuming the cubicle was private so he could set it up easily.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 25/11/2025 03:36

Bangbangwhizzbang · 13/11/2025 12:45

TwoLoonsAndASprout

As time goes on more and more material is AI generated. How are LLM avoiding being trained on their own guff?

They aren't. That's one of their problems.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 04:40

JamieCannister · 24/11/2025 16:16

I wonder if it was a GC or an evil middle aged male TRA that was laughing though?

(One of?) their motto(s) seems to be "'Not pawns for your politics".

Surely that's like having a campaign group protesting "Trans Women are Women" and using a cock and balls as the logo! Literally the logo is what you say you are not.

Having googled it would appear that the designer of the logo was a trans activist who appears to be a female and vulnerable-looking she/they.

A TWAW group having a cock and balls as the logo is bang on message though. Many TRAs would enjoy the thrill of hiding in plain sight.

MyrtleLion · 13/02/2026 13:44

GLP LOST!!!!

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/high-court-rules-ehrc-guidance-lawful/

They didn't have standing.

But three other people did have standing and they lost too!

🎉🥂🎈🎊🎁🎀🎂🎆🎇

High Court rules: EHRC guidance lawful

The law protects privacy, decency and propriety. 

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/high-court-rules-ehrc-guidance-lawful/

WFTCHTJ · 14/02/2026 01:07

Erm @myrtlelion that links to this thread, no?

ETA I assume you meant this one?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5489699-glp-v-ehrc-judgement-is-coming-tomorrow

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