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Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets

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fromorbit · 07/06/2025 07:38

After raising over 418K it turns out the GLP's amazing legal case is all about toilets. Details:

https://archive.is/TWRTl

No doubt it will fail like most of their previous legal cases.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action | Mumsnet

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-) [[https://good...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

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GreenFriedTomato · 10/06/2025 01:28

OldCrone · 07/06/2025 10:02

As an aside, in a hugely positive development, Michael Foran appears to have reformed his previous approach of using the prescribed language ‘transwomen’ etc and is now using the far clearer ‘transvestite’ to describe the men clamouring to use women’s spaces and rejecting all reasonable accommodations.

I think we should all be doing this. The words 'transgender' or just 'trans' were pushed by the trans lobby in order to make it more palatable to the general public than the obviously sexualised terms transvestite and transsexual and also to blur the boundaries between the two groups.

This post (and the whole thread) are informative.

Let's go back to 2007 | Mumsnet

I tend to use the term transsexual when talking about children who are trans-identifying. If anyone talking about 'trans children' complains about this and says that the children are 'transgender' not 'transsexual', they are welcome to explain what the difference is.

Most men who claim to be trans are, as Michael Foran says, simply transvestites.

I agree..what I see before me is a transvestite, plain and simple. The gender is only in your head and as I have no idea what's happening there, nor do I believe in gender identity, transvestite is how I'll call it.
I don't like transexual as that implies you can transition from one sex to another. Transitioning from one gender to another would be possible if you believe in that sort of thing.

Datun · 10/06/2025 04:41

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 00:26

Remember when Pride used to be full of people in normal clothes? Those were the days.

Some people made a statement of wearing their work clothes, but at least that meant there was a good representation of construction workers, cops, sailors and Native Americans.

🤣

WomeninIP · 10/06/2025 12:13

Robin White next week is offering guidance on the SC decision.

ipinclusive.org.uk/events/ip-out-webinar-with-robin-white/

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 12:19

WomeninIP · 10/06/2025 12:13

Robin White next week is offering guidance on the SC decision.

ipinclusive.org.uk/events/ip-out-webinar-with-robin-white/

The only guidance possible is to follow it, surely ?

SabrinaThwaite · 10/06/2025 13:27

Although narrow in legal scope, the ruling is already having significant – and unintended – effects on the rights and day-to-day experiences of trans and non-binary individuals, as well as non-gender conforming cis (non-trans) people.

I suspect that the effects are very much intended.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 13:44

non-gender conforming cis (non-trans) people.

That's a bit of a word soup. What does it even mean ? I guess women who wear trousers and are happy to be called "cis" ?

Both of them, then ?

SabrinaThwaite · 10/06/2025 14:07

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 13:44

non-gender conforming cis (non-trans) people.

That's a bit of a word soup. What does it even mean ? I guess women who wear trousers and are happy to be called "cis" ?

Both of them, then ?

Isn't it just?

I shall just declare myself non-trans and demand things.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 14:18

SabrinaThwaite · 10/06/2025 14:07

Isn't it just?

I shall just declare myself non-trans and demand things.

I wish the TRAs had dealt with Brexit. I can't see them being impressed with a 52% majority when they think 1% is a mandate.

DrudgeJedd · 10/06/2025 14:59

Right you lot, fess up, who is hoarding all of the funding from the fossil fuel billionaires? 😁

He's such a fucking flute, the article he links to is absolute wibble. Almost every claim is caveated to within an inch of its life, the only figures mentioned are funding of about $170k over 10 years which is probably less than the monthly salary bill for the Good Law Project.

Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets
SidewaysOtter · 10/06/2025 17:31

Gosh, I can't keep up. It was the far right funding "anti-trans" stuff, now it's fossil fuel companies?

Either way, thank fuck Joly's here to tell women about the "real problems" they suffer <eyes roll out of head and across the floor>

Datun · 10/06/2025 17:34

I'm getting really irritated with the notion of trans panic or trans peril.

I don't need to panic, or feel peril. It's my fucking toilet. Get out.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 17:40

DrudgeJedd · 10/06/2025 14:59

Right you lot, fess up, who is hoarding all of the funding from the fossil fuel billionaires? 😁

He's such a fucking flute, the article he links to is absolute wibble. Almost every claim is caveated to within an inch of its life, the only figures mentioned are funding of about $170k over 10 years which is probably less than the monthly salary bill for the Good Law Project.

Actually, some genius whispered in someones ear that it was really Big Oil that was behind everything, and like a dog with a bone(r) the TRA picked it up and ran with it.

Next week, the same person hopes to subtly suggest that behind Big Pharma, behind Big Oil, the real shadowy figures directing the anti trans agendas the world over are the Welsh. But that's only because I have shares in the only company in the UK that makes placards big enough to hold slogans in Welsh.

I may not be taking all this as seriously as I should.

SidewaysOtter · 10/06/2025 17:43

Datun · 10/06/2025 17:34

I'm getting really irritated with the notion of trans panic or trans peril.

I don't need to panic, or feel peril. It's my fucking toilet. Get out.

It's yet another round of gay rights/history force-teaming. They're trying to equate it with previous panics about gay people (e.g. the Lavender Scare, 1980s moral panics especially around AIDS etc).

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 18:10

Which one of you gazumped me? I've been trying to tell Jolyon that the Freemasons are behind it all.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 18:22

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 18:10

Which one of you gazumped me? I've been trying to tell Jolyon that the Freemasons are behind it all.

My first attempt was the illuminati. However you try spelling that on TikTok.

Datun · 10/06/2025 18:27

SidewaysOtter · 10/06/2025 17:43

It's yet another round of gay rights/history force-teaming. They're trying to equate it with previous panics about gay people (e.g. the Lavender Scare, 1980s moral panics especially around AIDS etc).

Indeed.

Also, the irony of feeling so furious you can't get into women's toilets, that you piss all over London, take your clothes off, graffiti statues, threaten women, and suggest we should all die...

... and then complain for England that it should induce any kind of panic or peril !

edited to add that frankly, I would like them to stay out of my spaces purely on the basis of such rank stupidity. Never mind being men.

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 18:40

I mean I don't like to be uncharitable, but Jolyon does seem to be turning into the Piers Corbyn of genderwoo.

teawamutu · 10/06/2025 18:53

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 18:40

I mean I don't like to be uncharitable, but Jolyon does seem to be turning into the Piers Corbyn of genderwoo.

That's such a good comparison.

Both middle aged lefty bien-pensant mansplainers, as well. I'm sure it's a total coincidence.

Brainworm · 10/06/2025 20:30

SidewaysOtter · 10/06/2025 17:43

It's yet another round of gay rights/history force-teaming. They're trying to equate it with previous panics about gay people (e.g. the Lavender Scare, 1980s moral panics especially around AIDS etc).

Levi Pay was really interesting on the podcast about the recent Stonewall conference. He described how hard Stonewall worked to have conversations with groups who were against gay rights. He talked about meeting with people and groups knowing they wouldn’t win them over but how, with each conversation, they sought to demonstrate that they were reasonable, logical and approachable. They hoped that when they left ‘the table’ they were one step closer to winning people over.

They weren’t demanding anything or throwing accusations. They were looking for areas to agree on. This gay rights movement was nothing at all like TRAs

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2025 22:30

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 18:40

I mean I don't like to be uncharitable, but Jolyon does seem to be turning into the Piers Corbyn of genderwoo.

🤣

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2025 22:32

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 12:19

The only guidance possible is to follow it, surely ?

You’d think.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 10/06/2025 22:39

TheOtherRaven · 07/06/2025 09:49

Their issue is, that it is not only trans identified men who have human rights and a right to privacy.

They cannot and will never see that. But a court looking at human rights will have to. As Reindoft keeps telling them 'other people have rights'. And frankly this is what the human rights act is for - to prevent the most powerful, well funded and entirely selfish groups taking everything for themselves regardless of others. To stand up for those who are dismissed as worthless and not entitled to equality.

Like women.

Edited

Well quite. And other than the obvious ones - right to life, protection from torture etc - most human rights are qualified and not absolute. So even if there is a legal right to change gender/certificated sex (which there is) it doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll extend to people with sex change certificates getting sll
the rights of actual women. As the Supreme Court more or less said

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2025 12:08

And other than the obvious ones - right to life, protection from torture etc - most human rights are qualified

They are all qualified.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 11/06/2025 12:08

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2025 12:08

And other than the obvious ones - right to life, protection from torture etc - most human rights are qualified

They are all qualified.

Well the right to life isn’t qualified, is it?

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2025 12:31

ThatsNotMyTeen · 11/06/2025 12:08

Well the right to life isn’t qualified, is it?

Not if you are killed in self defence. No penalty for your death then.

Which as I understand it is what free speech enthusiasts want. The ability to act without any consequences.

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