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Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets

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fromorbit · 07/06/2025 07:38

After raising over 418K it turns out the GLP's amazing legal case is all about toilets. Details:

https://archive.is/TWRTl

No doubt it will fail like most of their previous legal cases.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action | Mumsnet

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-) [[https://good...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

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TheOtherRaven · 07/06/2025 20:01

colta · 07/06/2025 18:10

@SionnachRuadh Nailed it, its a fetish after all and all of this is ultimately about their sexual gratification which is what makes their whole movement a misogynistic men's sexual rights movement, which is also why so many men support it because even if they aren't consciously aware of the fact they deep down feel that their rights to sex and sexual gratification from women overrides women's rights. So that is what it comes down to and what the GLP are fighting for essentially the rights of men to gain sexual satisfaction from nonconsenting women.

This is still the one lingering elephant in the room that nobody likes to talk about.

As men agonise about how hard it is for other men, and tell women that it's not trans identified men that are a danger but bad other men (which involves a trip to mental fairyland away from nasty facts and reality), it's still too shocking and unkind to state the bald, hard fact that many of these men are getting off on it.

Being in women's spaces with distressed undressed women is a turn on. The evidence is far and wide, there are bloody social media boards about it ffs, a lot of them. The photos shared of men wanking with the doors open in women's toilets, the men rushing in to search the sanitary bin after a woman leaves a cubicle in the hope of her wet warm tampon to stuff up his bum.... the ugliest, most vile stuff. Women are not supposed to mention this! They're just supposed to quietly submit to it.

And that is the root of some of the men's rage about all this, let's be honest. It's partly how dare women say no to men. It's partly how dare women refuse access to their biology which is a man's entitlement because he has needs. And it's partly as Victoria Smith says, cockblocking.

One of the questions front and centre in all this has been 'to what extent should women have to be sexual props and resources available to any man who wants to use them in women's spaces'. Which would be a sex based duty, the birthright of women (except they must never say that sex exists because that jars the man's experience), owed to men. The thrills of control, coercion, being able to force her to pretend to your face something you know damned well she doesn't believe or consent to, that power that if she resists.... well. There's a reason this lobby launch into threats of sexual violence at the drop of a hat.

I can already hear the whine about 'but not all...'

It does not matter if not all. It does not matter about the lovely Nigels who just want to quietly live their lives. They cannot come into women's spaces without men who want to do all the above and more to women.

So do you believe that women should not have to deal with this as part of the burden of being born in a female body? Or do you believe that women have a duty to suffer for the betterment of others and suck up the nasty stuff so other men may be made happy?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2025 20:32

SabrinaThwaite · 07/06/2025 11:17

Using a portaloo would be so very outing. Apparently.

TBF, the large toilet trailer units with cubicles and communal handwashing facilities are much nicer than than a portaloo. Plus you get to validate yourself by being in the ladies.

(Download actually clarified that the majority of the loos on site would be unisex, with separate male and female ones provided as well)

Um - how is Noahfinnnce having to use correct sex facilities where they may potentially be marked as trans by a small number of people who are (a) close enough to see them go in/out, (b) paying enough attention to notice they are trying to present as the opposite sex, (c) know who they are from Adam or Eve or Steve in the first place, and (d) actually give a fuck, somehow more outing than Noahfinnce choosing of their own free will to say they are trans on a post that gets 302000+ views?

Got to admit, Noah's not really convincing me that privacy is their real motivation here.

Datun · 07/06/2025 20:51

Quite

Brainworm · 07/06/2025 21:04

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2025 20:32

Um - how is Noahfinnnce having to use correct sex facilities where they may potentially be marked as trans by a small number of people who are (a) close enough to see them go in/out, (b) paying enough attention to notice they are trying to present as the opposite sex, (c) know who they are from Adam or Eve or Steve in the first place, and (d) actually give a fuck, somehow more outing than Noahfinnce choosing of their own free will to say they are trans on a post that gets 302000+ views?

Got to admit, Noah's not really convincing me that privacy is their real motivation here.

I imagine pronoun people can demonstrate their allyship by opting to use the gender neutral facilities, thus providing cover for their trans sisters. They have no problem sharing with trans people, and in doing so they make it clear that not only trans people use them.

Problem solved.

Bannedontherun · 07/06/2025 21:05

Brainworm · 07/06/2025 21:04

I imagine pronoun people can demonstrate their allyship by opting to use the gender neutral facilities, thus providing cover for their trans sisters. They have no problem sharing with trans people, and in doing so they make it clear that not only trans people use them.

Problem solved.

Jolly good point

illinivich · 07/06/2025 21:48

Noah was the first women i was aware of that produced a transition diary online. Youtube content about binding and 'x weeks on t'. I felt sorry for her because she was young at the time, but she has groomed a generation of girls.

Oddly, despite transition for 7+ years, including t and mastectomy, she looks exactly the same as when she was 17/18. So wouldn't be noticed in the womens loos.

Bannedontherun · 07/06/2025 22:14

Justme56 · 07/06/2025 22:10

A fetish festivals would be a better way of describing these gatherings.

illinivich · 07/06/2025 22:23

Blimey what a bunch.

BiologicalRobot · 07/06/2025 23:14

Justme56 · 07/06/2025 22:10

They weren't (or maybe were) looking at the background when they recorded that. Huge shop name saying Amusements.

😂

Stepfordian · 07/06/2025 23:15

verityveritas · 07/06/2025 12:43

I think you may be right, but this is what I can’t get my head around; humans can’t change sex, so how can a legal right exist for something which doesn’t exist? Surely law can only apply if something is real? If you feel you can change sex then I can feel old? If I feel it’s my right to say I feel older than I am, and if I feel i’m 67, can I now claim it’s my legal right to receive my state pension and retire? And if not why not? How is my self identification of feeling older than my biological age, any different from someone self identifying as different from their biological sex?

So I’m actually studying how the law is made at the moment and parliament can make any law it likes, the usual example in the text books is that parliament could theoretically pass a law making it illegal to smoke on the streets of Paris, or that ginger hair is illegal as ridiculous examples, but one text book used the example that Parliament could make a law that men are women, awkward!

Datun · 08/06/2025 04:03

Justme56 · 07/06/2025 22:10

Good lord.

GailBlancheViola · 08/06/2025 09:31

Datun · 08/06/2025 04:03

Good lord.

Indeed.

SerendipityJane · 08/06/2025 09:44

BiologicalRobot · 07/06/2025 23:14

They weren't (or maybe were) looking at the background when they recorded that. Huge shop name saying Amusements.

😂

Better than a fruit stall.

SerendipityJane · 08/06/2025 09:47

So I’m actually studying how the law is made at the moment and parliament can make any law it likes,

Surely we all know that is a crock ? After all that nice Kemi Badenoch says that we're subject to nasty foreign judges. Some of whom may not even dress for dinner.

Maybe you need to ask for your money back ? Go to a real school ?

(I may not entirely be focusing on reality. Which seems appropriate.)

BundleBoogie · 08/06/2025 10:15

Justme56 · 07/06/2025 22:10

And the guy in his sexual fetish ‘pup’ mask tagging on behind.

Every picture paints a picture…

Merrymouse · 08/06/2025 10:18

Stepfordian · 07/06/2025 23:15

So I’m actually studying how the law is made at the moment and parliament can make any law it likes, the usual example in the text books is that parliament could theoretically pass a law making it illegal to smoke on the streets of Paris, or that ginger hair is illegal as ridiculous examples, but one text book used the example that Parliament could make a law that men are women, awkward!

However, the EHRC, ECRH, the courts and the electorate might have something to say about the legality of those laws, given other legislation.

TheOtherRaven · 08/06/2025 10:27

Not to mention that new governments get elected in who reverse those laws and decisions, and the more pissed off the electorate and the extreme the actions of the govt that pissed them off, the stronger the pendulum swing in the other direction.

SerendipityJane · 08/06/2025 10:31

Merrymouse · 08/06/2025 10:18

However, the EHRC, ECRH, the courts and the electorate might have something to say about the legality of those laws, given other legislation.

Edited

And that is all they can do. They have no enforcement mechanism and if the UK chooses to stick two fingers up at them, it can. And will. And has.

Hence my comment upthread. The only way to change the Supreme Court ruling is to change the law. Anything else is just a campaign by conmen to hoover up donations from the more credulous and less questioning members of society. Grifting, in other words.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 09/06/2025 18:22

BundleBoogie · 08/06/2025 10:15

And the guy in his sexual fetish ‘pup’ mask tagging on behind.

Every picture paints a picture…

Why would you want to put on your 'pup-play' mask and then parade your fetish in front of women and children?

I sort of wonder what he gets from it but at the same time don't want to know

BundleBoogie · 09/06/2025 21:02

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 09/06/2025 18:22

Why would you want to put on your 'pup-play' mask and then parade your fetish in front of women and children?

I sort of wonder what he gets from it but at the same time don't want to know

I feel like I know way more than I want to know about this sort of thing but apparently these fetishes escalate so if there are not strict and disapproving boundaries imposed by society, they need to perform more extreme behaviour to get their thrills.

That they can pose for pictures with the police and parade openly at Pride (and be protected from criticism by the trans activists and police) shows that society is not providing any suitable boundaries which means they will escalate to more extreme behaviour.

This is obviously very bad. Especially when combined with the removal of safeguarding again, by the trans activists and their champions.

As we’ve seen at previous Pride marches, these men openly performing their fetishes (wearing tails that are butt plugs and full fetish gear) like to interact with children when given the chance. Parents who have been groomed by trans activists and in their desperation to be ‘progressive’, involve their children in all sorts of utterly inappropriate activities.

See also the ‘Drag’ events previously aimed at very young children and including totally inappropriate and sexualised acts.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 09/06/2025 21:25

See also the ‘Drag’ events previously aimed at very young children and including totally inappropriate and sexualised acts.

The destruction of child safeguarding has been a crazy downbound train, punctuated by events that leave you thinking that we must have reached the nadir.

Anyone remember 'rainbow dildo butt monkey' (2021). The 'rainbow dildo butt monkey' is no laughing matter - spiked (spiked-online.com)

I thought surely people will take notice now and we will see a return of standards but no, still on a downwards trajectory.

The ‘rainbow dildo butt monkey’ is no laughing matter

A council's decision to allow an adult act to perform for children represents a tremendous moral failure.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/13/the-rainbow-dildo-butt-monkey-is-no-laughing-matter/

SionnachRuadh · 09/06/2025 23:09

We should have drawn the line at assless chaps, if not earlier.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 10/06/2025 00:23

SionnachRuadh · 09/06/2025 23:09

We should have drawn the line at assless chaps, if not earlier.

I'd not really considered it but yes assless chaps are not brave and strong, or representing your community, they are just a big FU to the shared social contract

(Edited to make it clear that the chap is not assless, it's the chaps that are assless)

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 00:26

Remember when Pride used to be full of people in normal clothes? Those were the days.

Some people made a statement of wearing their work clothes, but at least that meant there was a good representation of construction workers, cops, sailors and Native Americans.

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