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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets

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fromorbit · 07/06/2025 07:38

After raising over 418K it turns out the GLP's amazing legal case is all about toilets. Details:

https://archive.is/TWRTl

No doubt it will fail like most of their previous legal cases.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action | Mumsnet

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-) [[https://good...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

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ArabellaScott · 12/11/2025 10:43

Also fingers crossed all is well with you, Myrtle. Take care. Flowers

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:47

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 10:41

Thanks @MyrtleLion . And for the other thread!

If they can't live tweet, can they effectively scribe what they would usually then produce the whole lot in the break?

It's what they did in submissions for Peggie, I think because it clashed with Kelly v Leonardo and another case. Glinner was also that week.

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 10:50

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:47

It's what they did in submissions for Peggie, I think because it clashed with Kelly v Leonardo and another case. Glinner was also that week.

Ah ok, well that's good to know.

I'm actually relieved you're not trying to cover both. Nick Wallis is fast! 😳

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:52

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 10:50

Ah ok, well that's good to know.

I'm actually relieved you're not trying to cover both. Nick Wallis is fast! 😳

He is! He wasn't this fast with Glinner's trial, so it's unexpected. He's obviously picked up skills.

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 11:41

Nothing from TT so far.

SidewaysOtter · 12/11/2025 11:45

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2025 10:42

We are wondering about the correct collective noun for barristers.

😁

A combat?

Although if a certain JR is involved, I believe it’s “a witter”.

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 11:49

SidewaysOtter · 12/11/2025 11:45

A combat?

Although if a certain JR is involved, I believe it’s “a witter”.

A wiggery is my favourite.

Madcats · 12/11/2025 12:49

Do we think GLP are asking to review the write up before it is published?

Either that or Mr Justice Swift has a fine and dandy prostate.

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 14:04

TT

'There was no morning break. We have been warned about contempt of court regarding breaching anonymity and are reviewing the notes of the session to allow piecemeal identification of anonymous IPs. They will be published later.'

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 14:05

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 14:04

TT

'There was no morning break. We have been warned about contempt of court regarding breaching anonymity and are reviewing the notes of the session to allow piecemeal identification of anonymous IPs. They will be published later.'

GLP seem to be using the thumb screws.

Suppose if you've got nothing else...

miuri · 12/11/2025 14:06

GLP scared of live tweeting? I wonder why?

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 14:08

I have an urgent family situation that means I may not be able to paste when TT posts its notes. Apologies to all and thanks to @BettyBooper for posting their latest update.

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2025 14:13

All the best, Myrtle.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/11/2025 16:21

miuri · 12/11/2025 14:06

GLP scared of live tweeting? I wonder why?

It really is so obvious that the people wanting GI to be a legal right want to keep in the shadows.

This is what disgusts me about the way trans activism has gone. Nothing to do with the TRAs' well worn claim of "moral panic" but the arrogance of men who feel entitled to take our rights and our legal identity away yet see no reason they should be expected to explain themselves in the sunlight.

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 17:36

From TT

It should have read 'avoid' not allow. Avoid piecemeal identification.

Replying to @tribunaltweets
"There was no morning break. We have been warned about contempt of court regarding breaching anonymity and are reviewing the notes of the session to allow piecemeal identification of anonymous IPs. They will be published later."

GreenUp · 12/11/2025 17:58

While we're waiting for tribunal tweets, I saw someone on Bluesky who attended this morning has posted the following:

1/ Today at 10:30am, High Court in London, Court 1, before Mr Justice Swift, R (Good Law Project, on the application of) v Equality and Human Rights Commission, a rolled-up hearing for judicial review of EHRC’s “interim update” (Day 1 of 2)

No live reporting, sorry.

2/ The morning hearing opened with the claimant’s counsel, Alex Goodman KC, outlining in the witness statements how the EHRC “interim update” had affected each of the three claimants, both in their employment and in their daily lives.

3/ The three claimants, who are trans and/or intersex, each have different circumstances and varying levels of openness about their identities at work. A key point is how the guidance has influenced, and continues to influence, not only their employment but also their own behaviour.

4/ There is fear and anxiety, and counsel submits that this means the challenge is not academic.

He then went through the guidance line by line, explaining what a reasonable reading of it would mean.

5/ CORRECTION: it was Dan Stilitz KC this morning.

The claimant took issue with the guidance, which states that trans-inclusive gendered toilets are unlawful, a position the EHRC now supports in their skeleton arguments.

6/ The claimant contends that providing trans-inclusive gendered toilets is not direct or indirect discrimination against a cis person. There was some discussion with the judge about the precise content of the EHRC’s interim update, but it is clear that the EHRC now takes a position.

7/ Stilitz says the guidance, to an average reader, like a pub landlord or employer, concerns how different toilet access arrangements may “pan out”. And says the guidance mandate both direct and indirect discrimination against trans people.

bsky.app/profile/reactiveashley.bsky.social/post/3m5ghlozfzk2y

GnomeComforts · 12/11/2025 18:02

Ashleeee (who is the person on Bluesky who attended today) is a TIM with some legal background/knowledge. Unlike a lot of the TIMs, he actually seems quite intelligent and has a grip on the legals of all this, but obvs with a trans agenda.

MyAmpleSheep · 12/11/2025 18:27

Ashleeee has got to here:

24/ A provision, criterion or practice (PCP) of requiring people to use only facilities in line of their “biological sex” would be indirectly discriminatory because it put trans people but not cis people at a disadvantage by being prevented from using facilities appropriate to their gender.

Looking forward to hearing the legal argument why any such indirect discrimination isn't lawful because it's a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 19:08

FYI you'll be astonished to hear that there is zero consideration given to other service users whatsoever.

Oh, and any thought of using possible third spaces is utterly unacceptable. It could be (shudders) 'othering'.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/11/2025 19:27

Is it just me or does the judge sound a bit tetchy?

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 19:35

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/11/2025 19:27

Is it just me or does the judge sound a bit tetchy?

Well yes I thought so too.

But then, some of the arguments from GLP seem to be asking him to rule against the SC, so I guess I might get a bit tetchy too 😬😂.

IANAL so could be completely misinterpreting it though 🤣

GreenUp · 12/11/2025 19:36

The judge trying to get straight to the point.

"this is not the court of social justice. What is the legal issue?"

😂😂😂

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/11/2025 19:40

GreenUp · 12/11/2025 19:36

The judge trying to get straight to the point.

"this is not the court of social justice. What is the legal issue?"

😂😂😂

That was a favourite quote of mine too. That and

"J – certain stage what is the certain stage
DS – under Croft
J – but that’s dead"

The claimants argument seems to be about as coherent as the pseudo law spouted by those on the transgender UK Reddit.

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2025 19:56

GreenUp · 12/11/2025 19:36

The judge trying to get straight to the point.

"this is not the court of social justice. What is the legal issue?"

😂😂😂

Exactly what I highlighted!