Headteacher backtracks after calling for 'gender neutral' uniform

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He was going to ban skirts.

Parental feedback was not sought initially, but they've had plenty of it since the change was announced!

My opinion. Police the children effectively if they're not wearing it properly. Don't punish the girls who are following the rules.

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Some people don't find trousers to be more practical.

What a load of old cobblers. It’s more oppressive to not have the choice between skirts and trousers.

This isn't done by attacking girls and
measuring their skirts. It's dangerous and bad for women in many ways.
You deal with by making men behave like normal and civilised people and not seeing women as meat or spreading slut shaming stuff.

Why do girls roll up their skirts?

Clue: it's not because of their widening hips or because of periods or expressionism 😂

Which is fine. Girls are of course allowed to want to show off to the opposite sex. However, school isn't the place for it. This isn't oppressing girls it's just being appropriate to the situation you're in.

Yawn.

See my above point about vulnerable girls who are yet to understand the difference between healthy attention and unhealthy attention or that they may be exploited in some way.

Being sex positive is fine. But theres a line where sexual exploitation of minors arises and schools have a duty of care to under age pupils.

There's an old thread on Mumsnet about skirt length inspections. The consensus there was that girls should just wear trousers and it wouldn't be a problem.
I've seen arguments about slim girls not being able to get skirts the right length, but at a local Comp, all the Muslim girls, even tall, slim ones, manage to find them.

Give over! This isn't a one side or the other! Believe me, lots of girls very much enjoy boys looking at their asses. It's just not appropriate in school!

Yawn telling her she needs to have her skirt a certain length to ensure men behave appropriately is harmful and tells her she's an object and responsible for men's behavior.

No one needs to measure a skirt. If I can see a kids knickers theres a problem.

Stop trying to make it sound like theres an issue over pettiness of length. I am totally with you, when its at the level of measuring.

There's a point where its glaringly problematic without the need for a ruler.

Wh the hell about attracting opp sex attention- most dont do it for that reason. Leave girls and their skirts alone.

Why are they doing it then?

She's not responsible for the men's behaviour.

However a CHILD is still at a point where she's deserving of protection from the men's behaviour. Thats where the school step in and say 'no this is not ok'.

The entire point is that there is responsibility with the school whilst she's still a minor. Its not with the child to take responsibility. A minor who is showing her knickers is demonstrating she is vulnerable to sexual exploitation. She's showing that she doesn't necessarily understand this. She isn't legally able to consent. Its a red flag. Schools should act in those circumstances.

They are NOT asking her to wear a full length gown and cover her ankles.

Namechangey why was he looking between their legs in the first place?.you see it's men that's the problem

Jesus wept. Even if that was true - who the fuck is looking closely enough at girls to be aware of this and why aren't they the problem - this must apply to the most miniscule number of individuals it's possible to apply to and not a justifiable reason to ban skirts.

I know why the hell are they staring, they are the problem, not the girls or their.skirts or towels.

They are effectively being asked to cover their body. People are reaching for the jist extreme 'knickers on show' examples when the reality is that that doesn't apply to the vast majority of girls - who are now being made to cover their legs with trousers - but not tight ones or leggings - with that as the justification.

I’m sure all the creeps and perverts out there who love to see 13 year old girls in skirts so short you can almost see their underwear are fully supportive of no-one “policing girls’ clothes” @Ifpicklesweretickles.

Why do girls at school need tight trousers? Sounds very impractical to me.

Are the boys allowed tight trousers?

You first claimed that of course girls weren’t showing their arses (some definitely are) and now you’re claiming that it’s not a problem if they do (it is).

It’s my workplace. I don’t want to be seeing arses in my workplace. Other workplaces have dress codes and men and women would get pulled up for not following it. It is not my problem for thinking that people should wear appropriate attire in schools. Teachers, similarly should not turn up with their arses on display.

You’re trying to make dress codes about misogyny. I don’t want men turning up with no shirt on either, but that comes up far less often. Appropriate attire for both sexes, please.

You see people who support it always do have the "asking for it" views too so it's all mysoginist.
I'd say they perhaps do it as an act of rebellion, a trend, following the crowd, imitating what they see on screens in shows and videos, to feel more grown up and imitating older teens/young people, even possibly being more comfortable that way as many don't like material against their legs, anything before "attracting opposite sex," who thinks or a 12 or 13 year old like that.

For me, the worst thing about all of this is the school’s comment about it being a shame that parents/ the community aren’t more passionate about the ‘real challenges’ the school ifs facing.

This is the attitude that led to Trump getting elected and the rise of Reform. It reflects a failure to understand the community that the school is there to serve.

Having worked for over 20 years with the communities that schools serve, I would bet my bottom dollar that there is significant overlap with the ‘skirt wearing’ issues and the way in which the school operates more widely.

I responded to a post which implied it was nothing to do with policing girls with how it actually is about policing girls.

Thanks for enticing me waste my time to clarify a post that is already crystal clear.

He is entitled in the workplace to not be put in a position where he could be accused of voyeurism

This entire thread shows it's absolutely about misogyny though.

My mum used to tell me 'it's not a fashion show' because I didn't want to wear the below-knee skirts they got me. So I rolled my skirt up. I didn't like the longer skirts, they looked shit, nobody else wore them, and I was a 14 year old girl painfully conscious of the judgement of other girls. It was absolutely fuck all to do with men as you correctly say.

I wanted to wear a skirt and I wanted to wear the skirt of my choice because I was a full human being with opinions and feelings.