Headteacher backtracks after calling for 'gender neutral' uniform

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He was going to ban skirts.

Parental feedback was not sought initially, but they've had plenty of it since the change was announced!

My opinion. Police the children effectively if they're not wearing it properly. Don't punish the girls who are following the rules.

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Fine with a trousers only uniform. Think of the hours saved haggling over skirt rolling which is a massive waste of everyone's time. If these parents put a fraction of the time they put into this supporting their children's learning we'd be in a much better place.

Next you will be telling us nine year olds in Rotherham were child prostitutes.

Ah happy days ☺️
See also sneaking red shoes and eyeliner into school to put on in the loo 😁

I'm sure they do. Why do you want them banned? Why are you sexualising them?

Yes he will. Along witb this one
Ddakji

I have worked in many workplaces and am yet to see an arse. Nor have I known anyone to see one but I take your word for it.

Are you an arse doctor or nurse by any chance? In that case it comes with the territory.

As a teenager I did not own a skirt. (Went to non uniform school.) I bought one when I started working in a religious place where it was ‘expected’ for women to wear knee length skirts.

Should it be an option - sure.

I don’t see why what headteacher was suggesting is being linked to TRA though?

I’m not.

Can you explain how wearing a skirt rolled so short it barely covers underwear is beneficial to a girl?

Why have you tagged me here? Are you suggesting I think the abused girls in Rotherham were child prostitutes? Where have I said anything that means you, completely erroneously, assume that?

I don't think it's beneficial. You may be missing a point. Do you think that females and clothes they wear are responsible for male's behaviour? If not, how do you see nothing wrong with asking girls or women to cover up and make themselves uncomfortbale and removing the option of an item preferred by many girls like this man suggested? And no man should be regulating and telling girls what to wear anyway. It's woman-hating behaviour.

It does, but perhaps not in the way you expect. Misogyny, acting through the patriarchy, co-opts naive women to give misogynists exactly what they want and to call it 'empowering' and 'choice'. The fact that this even extends to children is evidence of its success.

Sharia law for the UK, yes? To safeguard and protect us and not to cause men lustful thoughts?
Why don't you move somewhere where such concepts are universally practiced and enjoy all the other benefits women in those cultures and countries enjoy? You can then even have your dad or your son or if you dont have either your nephew decide things for you and basically have your whole life aken care of as long as you keep breeding and staying on top of pots and pans and don't leave the house without permission.

I’m glad you agree that girls rolling their skirts up isn’t beneficial to them.

Nowhere have I said that girls (or women) are responsible for male bad behaviour. You have insinuated that.

I don’t have an issue with skirts not being on a uniform list - plenty of clothes aren’t. It’s uniform. I’d be happy not to bother with uniform at all.

But I also don’t have a problem with schools policing uniform to ensure that underwear is not on show, be that for girls or boys. Unfortunately too many idiots, including parents, now think there’s an issue with not allowing children to have their underwear on show in school, and so we end up with skirts being removed from the uniform list. I don’t think that’s the answer but I also don’t think girls are comfortable in these rolled up skirts that don’t benefit them at all.

Parents need to stop pretending to their children that uniform is anything other that enforced clothing that is designed mainly to be practical - not pretty, not attractive, not individual, not a choice.

Campaign for no uniform. That would free up a lot of wasted time in schools and wasted money for parents - and all the girls would be in jeans. The rest of Europe manages - why is the UK so special that we can’t?

No, I’m a secondary school teacher.

You don’t appear to be one which would be why you are ignorant of the issues.

Everyone should have the right to an arse-free workplace, including teachers.

Given that you think people should be happy with young girls having their arse visible in my workplace, why do you think you have never seen one in yours?

I think gender neutral would be knee length or below skirt, or trousers for either sex.
Both boys and girls should be able to wear both the skirt and the trousers. Maybe not together...

Gawd I hate school uniform. I don't know why they can't be like the US and just not have it. Many very decent schools in my area don't. It doesn't seem to impact on learning results.

Though I guess it makes cliques and stuff more obvious and maybe you could get bullying relating to clothes.

But in real life we wear our own clothes and need to learn to respect others and be confident in what we wear ourselves.

Try following a group of girls with their skirts rolled half way up their arses up a flight of stairs. You will not have to look closely. The girls who do this far outnumber the ones who don't.

Teenage girls sometimes behave badly and make poor choices, just like boys, and need to be told when to cut it out.

When i have had to wear a sanitary towel (during/after miscarriages, and and after having a baby) i have absolutely felt more comfortable in a skirt. I've otherwise only ever worn tampons but I am capable of imagining that others don't want to.
Do you get that not everyone feels the same?

I wonder how women in jobs wear they have to wear trousers (eg paramedic) manage? Or do women who don’t like wearing trousers when they have their period ensure that the don’t follow a career where they might be experts to wear a uniform that doesn’t include a skirt or dress?

"We only wish families were more passionate and vocal about the real challenges schools are facing currently."

Thats such a bullshit thing to say. A primary school near us mandates blue hair ties (to match the uniform), but black ones for PE. I wish they were more fucking passionate and vocal about actual issues than the complete irrelevance that is policing separate hair ties for PE vs other lessons. Another primary school near us has its reception children in bloody ties.
Maybe if schools got a grip over nonsense uniform rules, teachers would have more time. My mum was a secondary teacher and every year was pissed off by the new pointless thing she was supposed to spend time policing (eg 16 year olds not allowed to decide if they’re too warm to wear a blazer and must wear it until told otherwise).

There is plenty of bullying even with uniform. Wrong bag, wrong coat, wrong shoes, wrong hairstyle, wrong glasses. If a bully wants to rip your appearance to shreds they’ll find a way. But clothing is no doubt much less of a deal in schools where clothing isn’t a deal.

Uniform doesn’t do away with appearance-related bullying, or any other kind of bullying.

I don't know, but just because some do doesn't mean we can't give teenage girls the option.

But uniform isn’t about options. That’s the point. I’m sure some kids would like the option to wear a multicoloured T shirt instead of a white button down shirt, but too bad, hey?

It's weird then how it manages to sound more like implying girls are trampy and desperate for male attention.

No, they’re not ashamed. Tight, short skirts actually make it hard to get on and off lab stools for example. Or move with freedom in Drama. This has f all to do with shame.

Why do you think they are rolling up their skirts?