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'He likes to parade around the women's locker completely naked in front of women and children,'

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frazzled1 · 31/05/2025 15:56

Speshul type of man....showing his 'Pre-op privates'. I'm sure there's another word for those...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14750847/sammy-trans-woman-san-francco-protestors-womens-locker-room-ymca.html

Female gymgoers in California's Bay Area are up in arms that they must share their locker room with a pre-operative trans woman named Sammy, leading to a tense standoff in one of the most liberal regions of the country.
Protesters have picketed outside two area YMCAs that Sammy is known to frequent, including the Stonestown Family YMCA in San Francisco, where dozens of members have petitioned to force her into the designated gender-neutral space.
YMCA officials have defended Sammy's use of the women's locker room, citing her 'civil rights' despite outrage from other members who feel uncomfortable seeing a hulky trans woman with male genitalia and 'slowly growing breasts' roaming around in front of women and children.
It has led to some nasty exchanges.
'He likes to parade around the women's locker completely naked in front of women and children,' Susan Pete, a 58-year member of the Stonestown Y, told DailyMail.com on a recent afternoon.
'He also likes to blow dry his hair while naked and bent over. I've seen that man more than most of my boyfriends.'
Some women have stopped coming, at least when Sammy's around. Others like Pete have stood their ground. The longtime Democrat grew so frustrated that she recently wrote President Trump asking him to intervene.

Gymgoers freak as trans woman flaunts pre-op privates in front of kids

A trans woman named Sammy has sparked a culture war inside a California gym as female gym goers were horrified to see her pre-op privates in the locker room while staff says she's harmless.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14750847/sammy-trans-woman-san-francco-protestors-womens-locker-room-ymca.html

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rubyslippers · 31/05/2025 15:59

Tell me again how this isn’t a men’s rights movement
it’s so grim

Pinkrabitt · 31/05/2025 15:59

It's so telling that even when there is a gender neutral space transwomen still want to access the women's space to get naked. Never heard of a transman doing this.

arrrgghhh · 31/05/2025 16:04

If this happened round where I live, he'd have had the shit kicked out of him by now. And he would deserve it.

BunfightBetty · 31/05/2025 16:04

Pinkrabitt · 31/05/2025 15:59

It's so telling that even when there is a gender neutral space transwomen still want to access the women's space to get naked. Never heard of a transman doing this.

Yes, it’s clear that this male is a flasher, who’s getting off on exposing his genitals and arsecrack to the women and children trapped in the changing room with him.

He needs a swift kick in the nuts, and then to be charged with exposing himself and banned from any women’s spaces henceforth. But who will have the backbone to do that in captured America?

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 16:13

Out of interest, have any of the rest of you ever seen a woman in a communal changing room drying her hair before getting dressed?

I haven't.

Even my most comfortable-in-their-own-skin friends dry their bodies, get dressed and only then deal with their hair - at least in a communal changing room. Do men dry their hair before getting dressed? None of the ones in my life do. Are they unusual?

WHY CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOUR THAT, EVEN WITH THE KINDEST OF BE-KIND SPECTACLES ON, IS NOT JUST ABOUT WANTING A SAFE SPACE TO PEE/CHANGE??? It is about the thrill of exposure, just the same as any common or garden flasher. Why is this not blindingly obvious?

LoveSandbanks · 31/05/2025 16:36

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 16:13

Out of interest, have any of the rest of you ever seen a woman in a communal changing room drying her hair before getting dressed?

I haven't.

Even my most comfortable-in-their-own-skin friends dry their bodies, get dressed and only then deal with their hair - at least in a communal changing room. Do men dry their hair before getting dressed? None of the ones in my life do. Are they unusual?

WHY CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOUR THAT, EVEN WITH THE KINDEST OF BE-KIND SPECTACLES ON, IS NOT JUST ABOUT WANTING A SAFE SPACE TO PEE/CHANGE??? It is about the thrill of exposure, just the same as any common or garden flasher. Why is this not blindingly obvious?

Whilst we might not get fully dressed to blow dry our hair I’ve never seen a woman stark naked sorting out her hair. The very confident might do it in their (matching) underwear. And no woman would be bending over showing her arse to the rest of the room.

Generally, I don’t give two hoots about who’s in the next cubicle to me in the toilets but I absolutely draw the line at dicks in women’s changing rooms.

it’s no different to “flashing” which is a sex crime where I live!

MistyMountainTop · 31/05/2025 17:01

@AlexandraLeaving I do, and so do about half the other women at my pool! We all have towels wrapped round us but yes, I dry my hair as soon as I come from the shower. Takes less than a minute and it avoids getting my clothes wet.

I had no idea that we were indulging in odd behaviour.

Tatemoderndrawyourown · 31/05/2025 17:05

In a fancy yoga studio in London there are plenty of women drying their hair stark naked, seeing with my own eyes. Even when women do it it’s clearly ‘not normal’, let alone if it’s a man in a women’s changing room.

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 17:10

MistyMountainTop · 31/05/2025 17:01

@AlexandraLeaving I do, and so do about half the other women at my pool! We all have towels wrapped round us but yes, I dry my hair as soon as I come from the shower. Takes less than a minute and it avoids getting my clothes wet.

I had no idea that we were indulging in odd behaviour.

Sorry, my post was insufficiently specific. Being wrapped in a towel is v different from doing it naked. I did not mean to insult you.

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 17:12

Tatemoderndrawyourown · 31/05/2025 17:05

In a fancy yoga studio in London there are plenty of women drying their hair stark naked, seeing with my own eyes. Even when women do it it’s clearly ‘not normal’, let alone if it’s a man in a women’s changing room.

Clearly I don’t frequent fancy enough establishments. Sorry. I did not mean to speak out of turn.

MistyMountainTop · 31/05/2025 17:19

@AlexandraLeaving Thank-you. No, no adults dry their hair whilst naked that I've seen. Mothers have been seen drying naked children's hair as I've walked from the showers to the adult only area.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/05/2025 17:20

'The long time Democrat grew so frustrated that she recently wrote President Trump asking him to intervene.'

That just had to be repeated, you reap what you sow Democrat. 🤣

Tatemoderndrawyourown · 31/05/2025 17:38

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 17:12

Clearly I don’t frequent fancy enough establishments. Sorry. I did not mean to speak out of turn.

I am sorry, I wanted to put the name of the place then thought better not, so I put fancy. That was rude of me, i apologize. It was way too fancy for me but I think that’s part of the problem. If you are already doing yoga in a fancy place how do you distinguish yourself from others. Hence the ‘look at me strutting around naked when there’s absolutely no reason to do so ‘.

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/05/2025 17:42

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/05/2025 17:20

'The long time Democrat grew so frustrated that she recently wrote President Trump asking him to intervene.'

That just had to be repeated, you reap what you sow Democrat. 🤣

That’s pretty nasty. She deserves to be subject to sex offending because she voted a certain way, possibly for complicated reasons?

No, not cool.

NPET · 31/05/2025 18:05

LoveSandbanks · 31/05/2025 16:36

Whilst we might not get fully dressed to blow dry our hair I’ve never seen a woman stark naked sorting out her hair. The very confident might do it in their (matching) underwear. And no woman would be bending over showing her arse to the rest of the room.

Generally, I don’t give two hoots about who’s in the next cubicle to me in the toilets but I absolutely draw the line at dicks in women’s changing rooms.

it’s no different to “flashing” which is a sex crime where I live!

This is exactly what I say.
I think toilets and changing rooms should be marked P and V.
You either have one or the other.

JustSpeculation · 31/05/2025 19:11

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/05/2025 17:42

That’s pretty nasty. She deserves to be subject to sex offending because she voted a certain way, possibly for complicated reasons?

No, not cool.

I interpreted it as meaning that she found herself in the ignominious position of having to appeal to Trump, and that she deserves that embarrassment.

PaterPower · 31/05/2025 19:16

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 16:13

Out of interest, have any of the rest of you ever seen a woman in a communal changing room drying her hair before getting dressed?

I haven't.

Even my most comfortable-in-their-own-skin friends dry their bodies, get dressed and only then deal with their hair - at least in a communal changing room. Do men dry their hair before getting dressed? None of the ones in my life do. Are they unusual?

WHY CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOUR THAT, EVEN WITH THE KINDEST OF BE-KIND SPECTACLES ON, IS NOT JUST ABOUT WANTING A SAFE SPACE TO PEE/CHANGE??? It is about the thrill of exposure, just the same as any common or garden flasher. Why is this not blindingly obvious?

If I (male) saw a bloke parading around an open male changing room, in the nude, I’d think he was a massive exhibitionist. Or possibly touting for business.

Blokes will generally let it all hang out while towelling off, (by no means all though), but they’re generally not making a point of walking up and down the room in the nude.

Not in this country anyway. Maybe in Sweden or Germany, but not in good old Blighty… the very thought! 🎩

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/05/2025 19:41

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/05/2025 17:42

That’s pretty nasty. She deserves to be subject to sex offending because she voted a certain way, possibly for complicated reasons?

No, not cool.

I wasn't referring to her personally but the situation we all find ourselves in because of the Democrats/Labour's uncritical support of an unhinged ideology. This is the consequence of the laws in California, the Democrats brought those laws in, and as a long term Democrat, she would have mostly likely voted in all the laws that are allowing this to happen.
Now she finds herself in the position of appealing to a President that the party she's supported for a long time is painting as the anti-christ.

BundleBoogie · 31/05/2025 19:47

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 16:13

Out of interest, have any of the rest of you ever seen a woman in a communal changing room drying her hair before getting dressed?

I haven't.

Even my most comfortable-in-their-own-skin friends dry their bodies, get dressed and only then deal with their hair - at least in a communal changing room. Do men dry their hair before getting dressed? None of the ones in my life do. Are they unusual?

WHY CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOUR THAT, EVEN WITH THE KINDEST OF BE-KIND SPECTACLES ON, IS NOT JUST ABOUT WANTING A SAFE SPACE TO PEE/CHANGE??? It is about the thrill of exposure, just the same as any common or garden flasher. Why is this not blindingly obvious?

Exactly!! There was a man who identified as a woman in the female changing rooms at the YMCA ‘helping’ little girls with their swimsuits, (a woman banned for raising this a safeguarding issue).

There was a man who identified as a woman in the female sauna in LA exposing his semi-erection to women and young girls who turned out to be a convicted sex offender.

There was a convicted sex offender exposing his genitalia to women at a gym in Canada.

There was a man who identified as a woman unnecessarily wandering around the female changing rooms at a swimming gala in this country where young girls were stripping off.

Men allowed into female changing rooms in High stores ogling and filming girls changing.

This is literally a perverts paradise. Any man who wants to indulge himself will benefit from the assumption he is trans and knows anyone trying to stop him will get punished.

Unbelievable

Chersfrozenface · 31/05/2025 19:51

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/05/2025 17:42

That’s pretty nasty. She deserves to be subject to sex offending because she voted a certain way, possibly for complicated reasons?

No, not cool.

She voted for the Democrats repeatedly ("long time Democrat"). She knew what their policies were and are

Did it never occur to her that the consequences of those policies would affect her one day?

borntobequiet · 31/05/2025 19:56

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 16:13

Out of interest, have any of the rest of you ever seen a woman in a communal changing room drying her hair before getting dressed?

I haven't.

Even my most comfortable-in-their-own-skin friends dry their bodies, get dressed and only then deal with their hair - at least in a communal changing room. Do men dry their hair before getting dressed? None of the ones in my life do. Are they unusual?

WHY CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOUR THAT, EVEN WITH THE KINDEST OF BE-KIND SPECTACLES ON, IS NOT JUST ABOUT WANTING A SAFE SPACE TO PEE/CHANGE??? It is about the thrill of exposure, just the same as any common or garden flasher. Why is this not blindingly obvious?

I dry my hair before I get dressed. I hate putting clothes on when my hair is wet. But I do it decently, wrapped in a towel, which helps dry my body at the same time, and I have very easy hair which dries quickly and needs no styling.

BeLemonNow · 31/05/2025 22:12

Tatemoderndrawyourown · 31/05/2025 17:05

In a fancy yoga studio in London there are plenty of women drying their hair stark naked, seeing with my own eyes. Even when women do it it’s clearly ‘not normal’, let alone if it’s a man in a women’s changing room.

Yes I went to one of these in my 20s! There were also group showers rather than cubicles. It's definitely the exception rather the rule...it was actually quite liberating...even then I don't remember anyone bending over nude!

Grammarnut · 31/05/2025 23:21

AlexandraLeaving · 31/05/2025 16:13

Out of interest, have any of the rest of you ever seen a woman in a communal changing room drying her hair before getting dressed?

I haven't.

Even my most comfortable-in-their-own-skin friends dry their bodies, get dressed and only then deal with their hair - at least in a communal changing room. Do men dry their hair before getting dressed? None of the ones in my life do. Are they unusual?

WHY CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT THIS IS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOUR THAT, EVEN WITH THE KINDEST OF BE-KIND SPECTACLES ON, IS NOT JUST ABOUT WANTING A SAFE SPACE TO PEE/CHANGE??? It is about the thrill of exposure, just the same as any common or garden flasher. Why is this not blindingly obvious?

The gym where I go most of the women dry their hair wrapped in a bath sheet, which is entirely decorous. The occasional one gets dressed first. But certainly no-one stands around naked drying their hair (though a transwoman flashed his pseudo vulva at me once - I just thought, 'no woman would do that' - he has since disappeared).

Grammarnut · 31/05/2025 23:23

BeLemonNow · 31/05/2025 22:12

Yes I went to one of these in my 20s! There were also group showers rather than cubicles. It's definitely the exception rather the rule...it was actually quite liberating...even then I don't remember anyone bending over nude!

Group showers at local swimming baths. Last time I went everyone showered in their swimsuits, no-one stripped off.

Christinapple · 31/05/2025 23:27

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