Are toilets still allowed to be cleaned by members of the opposite sex?

[PoisedRubyLion]

I see signs saying toilets may be cleaned by members of the opposite sex in a lot of places. Is this allowed after the supreme court ruling? If a male cleaner was in there it would be a mixed sex space.

I think you’ve missed the point of the EA2010. It does not just apply to workplaces. It also applies in the provision of services and schools. Unless you’re telling me I can discriminate against children because they have no protection under the act?

Indeed.

OP, you surely can't be that thick to not see the difference? Or is this the latest ill thought out TRA take on Reddit?

Then how do you explain male staff in female prisons/schools and female staff in male prisons schools?

There are obvious exceptions and no matter how much you squeal about little children in women's toilets it is still the law that they are single sex spaces and no men are allowed.

I would absolutely love a TRA to try and bring this to the courts arguing that as women take their young male children into the womens toilets that means womens toilets should be a mixed sex space and allow men in dressed as women. It would be the final nail in the coffin for any dwindling public sympathy for TW.

The EA covers workplaces, provision of services (to adults and children), education (for adults and children), public functions (i.e. anything the government or LA do for adults or children), associations (including children's associations like girl guiding) ...

The latter.

Op, you seem a little over invested in toilets and who uses them.....

It is obviously the latest ill thought out TRA take on Reddit.

Yes and Mr Muscle products can now only be used in Men's or Gender Neutral toilets.
I'm not lying, it's not made, it's a genuine new law.

That’s rich coming from this place 😂

I think it's perfectly reasonable for a venue to put up signs saying this female area may be serviced by a male cleaner/plumber. Usually if cleaning or maintenance is taking place they cordon it off anyway. I don't think the court ruling will change that.

Yes of course. And my toilet at work is shared by everyone men women whoever, up to 30+ people grim.

Absolutely continue with this argument.
Keep going.
Between this and the topless men protests, you will win over the public, no doubt about it.

I would absolutely love a TRA to try and bring this to the courts arguing that as women take their young male children into the womens toilets that means womens toilets should be a mixed sex space and allow men in dressed as women. It would be the final nail in the coffin for any dwindling public sympathy for TW.

Or that little boys must use the men's toilet unaccompanied by their mother. That's an extremely worrying demand.

Oh fgs OP. This deliberate stupidity is very draining

😂

OK, well next time a man brings his 2 y/o daughter into the gents, you can bring a case and argue that this violates your right to privacy, dignity and safety, or whatever. Let us know how you get on!

Bloody hell. The mental gymnastics in equating an employed, identifiable individual to do their jobs with letting anyone who feels the feels into the ladies is impressive. I suspect more women clean the men's than vice versa but if you want them to be even muckier then fair enough.

Plus I'd expect a male cleaner to use the gents toilet to actually pee.

Oh pal. Women aren't the ones dousing themselves in piss or threatening to throw bottles at the stuff at people having a wee day out at Platform 9 3/4.

That would be the fucking weird men who are having foot stamping tantrums at being told they can't ride roughshod over women's rights to single sex services and spaces.

Is this meant to be like RMW’s ‘gotcha’ on WH? Honestly so depressing.

It’s not the space that’s single sex, it’s the service. The law says service providers can discriminate by sex in appropriate circumstances, such as by providing separate toilets for use by men and women.

The person cleaning the toilets isn’t a service user, they’re part of the provision of that service, so allowing a man to clean a women’s toilet doesn’t make a mixed-sex toilet. If he stopped cleaning to unzip and pee in it, then he would become a service user. He shouldn’t do that.

It might be proportionate to allow only a women to clean a women’s toilet, but it wouldn’t be required in law, and it doesn’t change the nature of the service provision either way.

It’s depressing now one here can explain the legal position. You claim it’s very clear, yet can’t provide any clarity

If cleaning staff or young children were the key to adult men using womens toilets and changing rooms, Jolyon Maugham would havd already arranged a whip round for legal action.

The fact even he hasn't stooped to this level should tell you something.

About as depressing as when you ask for clarity of what is a woman and get a load of batshit gobbledygook back? That kind of depressing?

PP have explained why you are wrong.

But let's assume you're not wrong. Everyone realises that men should not be cleaning women's toilets and vice versa. That stops straight away. There are far more female cleaners than male cleaners, so result: women's toilets experience very little change, but men's toilets are even more disgusting than usual.
Are you cool with that?

Aww diddums, another go by the bog obsessive

’my lovely TIM friend has been obtaining access to the women’s loos by deception or intimidation for years so what’s your problem?’ didn’t fly on a previous thread so now we’re onto not understanding the legitimate aim associated with allowing parents to take small children of the opposite sex into the toilet with them

slow day at the stupidity mine?