This year's pride month

[maybeuptight]

Just wondering if anyone thinks it might be different this year?

Last year it felt like you couldn't leave the house in June without encountering rainbow "Love is Love" posters, Tesco sold drag garden gnomes, and bacon lettuce tomato sandwiches turned into LGBT sandwiches in my local shop.

This year some local pride events have reported inadequate funding, and Stonewall have said they are in financial difficulties. But the Supreme Court ruling has also prompted lots of protests, so maybe people will feel motivated to get involved?

I know men can be straight or gay but being treated as a woman I don't understand, for any period of time (in the past/present). I also don't understand "living as" the opposite sex but I'm pro reality and see gender purely as a manmade construct. I also don't follow stereotypes.
I agree there are men who want to dominate women and VAGW is common; men pretending to be women who are lesbians is probably down to control issues.
Do you think the previous poster was mixing up men with women again?

How can a male be a female homosexual? Surely the fact they are male completely rules them out if that category? Unless you are claiming transwomen are not male? In that case, surely they would just be women and not transwomen?

GardenGaff: She was dressed like a rainbow had thrown up on her

😂 👏 👍

Did you mean to quote me? Or were you asking Janette the male inclusive lesbian ?

What's a male inclusive lesbian?
Would PJ sleep with men who say they are women?

Presumably yes, which IMO means PJ isn't actually a lesbian at all.

Maybe PJ just identifies as a lesbian?

@PlanetJanette What they can't do is expect to adopt explicitly hostile and exclusionary positions about part of a community, and then object when they are not welcome within that community.

I’m assuming you mean this as an even-handed test, and I’d like to understand it.

What sort of positions from the trans rights side of the house do you think should warrant exclusion from Pride?

Trans women are ace?

Ace like fab? Or ace like asexual? Red flags fly for me when I hear the term "ace".

Stonewall tried two years ago to make Asexuality their next big thing. Being attracted to no one is now grouped in with same-sex attraction. And as far as I'm aware they have never been discriminated against (after all the Pope is meant to be asexual).

Trans women being asexual? Well that's usually because they were castrated as children, turned into eunuchs. It's not a positive thing.

Transwomen may be ace but they are definitely not FAB 😂

What makes you think I haven't tried online dating as a gay woman? Your experience is not my experience.

"it is Janette who is saying female people who only fancy female people are not lesbians"

This is just a lie. I have never said that a woman who would only ever consider dating another cisgender woman is not a lesbian. You have made that up.

Unlike on others here, I don't think I have any role in policing the sexuality of other lesbians. That role falls to all the people who decide that a lesbian who believes trans women are women can't possibly be a lesbian.

Again, by your own definition, you could be a married father of six. In your head there's no such thing as a gay woman that is any different to a heterosexual man.

By your ideology, two men having sex can both be lesbians. A married heterosexual couple with eight children between them can also both be lesbians.

Meaningless jibber jabber

It didn't ask about connectedness, it asked about things in common. And of course that should not surprise us, given that most LGB people don't (currently) experience anything approaching the level of vilification that trans people do. That doesn't imply any view that the make-up of the LGBT+ community is a problem, which is directly contradicted by the actual figures that asked about attitudes to that community among LGB people.

You can't be serious. LGB alliance is the only purely LGB organisation allowed to exist. And trans organisations tried to have them shut down via the charity commission

Shall we count the trans organisations...???

That is just not true.

Trans people have been explicitly and formally included within Pride (in London, at least) for thirty years. Not just trans people who are also gay.

Incidentally, you keep on with your bi erasure in your insistence that pride can only mean gay pride.

Gay pride is what it was always called. That's the name before it was just called pride.

"Allowed" by whom?

Yes. And it has been more inclusive of bi and trans people for thirty years.

Everyone claiming this is some recent thing simply don't know what they're talking about.

As I said transactivists spent thousands of pounds and a great deal of time trying to shut it down. Purely on the basis that it was for LGB people. Homophobia at its absolute bloody worst.

But you're right, plenty more are about to spring up.

And with the Supreme Court ruling, protests will go nowhere.

They really are totally mindless. This really made me laugh!

Transactivists deliberately forced teamed themselves with gay rights. It's all there in the Denton report.

Trans ideology directly contradicts the entire concept of homosexuality. Of course they don't belong together.

You yourself are saying that lesbians should be banned from their own march, on the basis that they uphold homosexuality.

A protected characteristic based on sex, not ideology.

No. They challenged the charitable status on the basis that its approved functions were not what they were actually engaged in. Quite rightly given that the LGB alliance has done next to nothing for LGB people which hasn't been about their anti-trans position.

Organisations are 'allowed' to exist without charitable status, you know.

So which LGB organisations have not been allowed to exist, and allowed by whom?

I think you should let lesbians, gay men and bi people be the judges of whether trans people should be part of their community.

Those that don't want to be part of a community that includes trans people aren't chained to any radiators. They can and have provided trans exclusive alternatives. They've largely been flops because most LGB people don't share your views, but you don't get to dictate how LGB people feel about trans people.

What is the point of the word "lesbian" if it can now mean:

-two females
-a male and a female
-two males

Surely it is not unreasonable to ask for clarification?

Why do we need Pride if being gay/lesbian now means literally anyone and everyone?