Two biological men a day given trans surgery on the NHS

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I couldn’t see this had been posted already. From the Telegraph with an interview with a detransitioner. Some of these patients were just so, so young.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/25/two-biological-men-a-day-given-trans-surgery-on-nhs/

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That’s not the case any more. The term ‘trans’ now also allows cross-dressers to be included into the mix and demand access to women’s spaces.

Absolutely this.

I would also assume that there is as much fetish as gender dysphoria involved.

Those men with their moobs out threatening JKR and KJK in London yesterday got their implants on the NHS. Absolutely sickening beyond belief.

It should also be remembered that there is no evidence that these surgeries improve mental health (but there is evidence that it doesn’t)

Why are these findings not more widely disseminated? The risk of sterility and venous thromboembolism, yes (I thought sterility was a given not a risk). However, this long and tragic list ought to be shared with every gender affirming counsellor and clinic. Actually, it ought to be shared with every single bekind teacher and health professional across the land.

I thought the NHS was committed to providing only evidence-based treatment, as established by NICHE. Am I wrong?

Any discussion of the risks is deemed transphobic. Gender clinicians are required to be relentlessly positive about transition. Those who are not are out of a job (see Tavistock whistleblowers).

In every other area of medicine, you are correct. But in Genderland, normal rules do not apply. There are many doctors out there who know it's wrong and give the whole thing a wide berth, but we all know what happens to people who try to talk about it.

Thank you. What a disgrace.

Where did you see that about the threats yesterday, was it in the media somewhere? thanks.

NHS used clinical guidelines written by WPATH, the self-proclaimed experts in gender healthcare. Leaked files exposed WPATH to be a group of activists and clinicians with questionable morals. The evidence base for their guidance was basically non-existent, and unfavourable research results go unpublished. Look up WPATH Files if you're interested.

It's not on the media, they wouldn't touch the story. Except maybe the Mail.

But there's a video with description on Twix.
https://x.com/GerryKeogh_/status/1926622168000983489

And on this thread hee on MN, a photo of a smiling policeman next to a threatening placard.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5342120-sarah-jane-baker-leads-topless-protest-in-london-and-threatens-named-women

I know a lot of people want all the surgeries completely outlawed, but I'm of the opinion that if people pay for it from their own money then they can do it (but doesn't mean that the law has to treat them differently). I don't like tongue splitting, but if people are stupid enough to do it, then so be it, but don't expect to be legally a snake afterwards. If a man wants a neo-vagina, so be it, but don't expect to legally be a woman afterwards or for the NHS to fund the reversal.

The NHS shouldn't be going anywhere near it, and as the NHS is trying to be the jack of all trades I believe that their results are a much lower quality to that done privately.

The problem with the NHS/public services is that it is a conveyor belt of treatment. Children in council run care homes are referred to NHS mental health services that pick up on magic terms such as "don't like being boy/girl" and then send them to NHS gender specialists that end up medicalising them and sending to surgery. It seems like once you get into the system it is very hard to get out.

Obviously private providers just exist to milk people of money, but at least the financial costs would force people to wait. A child would need to save for years to pay for it and would give them time to think.

The NHS is (and will be) facing a massive compensation bill. It will be the new infected blood scandal.

The NHS is (and will be) facing a massive compensation bill. It will be the new infected blood scandal.

Naomi Cunningham does not seem to think there will be much in the way of proper compensation:
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Breast augmentation is not available on the NHS

Not routinely, but it is available in exceptional cases.

I cannot currently find the criteria for exceptional cases nor numbers for breast augmentation or implantation surgeries funded by the NHS.

The figures don't add up do they? I can't believe 2 men a week are having their penis removed given the fact that we know that most men who identify as trans retain their penis.

I can't believe there isn't the trans exception to the general rule on breast augmentation. Something about men's hurty feeling being more significant if they claim to be women I would imagine.

The article clearly states that the figures relate to the genital surgery; penis-to-neo-vagina.

Blimey - that will teach me not to read the article!

Apologies. I'm actually shocked that that is the case.

The story says "Data obtained from the NHS Gender Dysphoria National Referral Support Services (GDNRSS) show that it referred 2,071 biological men for “feminising genital surgery” between 2021 and 2023..."

If that refers to financial years from April to March, "between 2021 and 2023" means 2 years, that's 104 weeks. 2071 divided by 104 is almost 20 per week being referred for surgery.

Even if it means calendar years, 2072 divided by 156 is roughly 13.25 per week being referred.

Given those figures, two per week actually undergoing surgery doesn't seem surprising.

This makes me feel really sad and frustrated. Does anyone know when the Nuffield group got the contract for this? I had a peripheral role working on local policies for specialist commissioning between 2004 & 2008 and remember such patients remaining in the NHS for their entire pathway. A pathway which included having to undergo psychiatric evaluation before getting anywhere near a surgeon.

It sounds like the pathway has been changed and not in a way that is necessarily helpful to this patient group. I suppose if a few allies get rainbow points, it isn’t necessary to consider that there may be other things going on with a vulnerable patient group.

Doesnt always work I went from a 46G to a 34FF with a ten stone weight loss. Its misogyny to think a woman can control what parts of the body where the weight comes off

It's obscene.
A very elderly relative of mine spent the better part of 48 hours on a trolley in A&E awaiting admission. In fact, the trolley situation had become so normalised that the hospital pretty much had a ward in the corridor.

But there's money to give SJ Baker fake tits.

Absolute waste of money to offer totally unnecessary body modification for the satisfaction of a fetish no less on the NHS when people with serious life threatening illnesses go untreated. I personally don't believe that any kind of treatment of this kind should be offered on the NHS. If people want harmful cross sex hormones and cosmetic body modifications they should pay for it themselves.

Meanwhile, women who have had single mastectomy for cancer can only have cosmetic surgery to replace the lost breast, but not to modify the remaining breast for symmetry and comfort

Disgraceful.

This is so true! Man wants breast implants to be more feminine- funded. Woman wants breast implants to be more feminine - not funded. It's illogical misogyny and a total waste of money.

Genital surgery for a mental health disorder is grossly unethical and should be banned nationwide (NHS & private providers)