Two biological men a day given trans surgery on the NHS

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I couldn’t see this had been posted already. From the Telegraph with an interview with a detransitioner. Some of these patients were just so, so young.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/25/two-biological-men-a-day-given-trans-surgery-on-nhs/

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Fucking outrageous is what it is.

The sooner an end is put to this awful ideology the better.

@rebmacesrevdamy dad is also waiting for ortho surgery spinal decompression, he has gone from walking to barely being able to walk in 6months and god knows how much longer he has to wait so this boils my blood!!! 😡

I’m using trans to mean someone who has gender dysphoria. I don’t think it’s possible to be trans without gender dysphoria.

Is there any evidence to show gender dysphoria responds to psychological treatment? My understanding is that it has been tried and wasn’t effective.

Maybe 50 years ago. Now we're supposed to 'celebrate' gender dysphoria rather than treat it as a mental health condition.

Trans surgery on the nhs? Is this a joke!

I'm guessing that if the prostrate is left alone, there may be a rare chance to extract some sperm. Sounds painful. If a man wants to be a father but prefers this horrific painful surgery then a painful extraction to having PIV sex or orgasm into a cup, is he really a mentally healthy individual?

Why would there be sperm in the prostate?

NB biology isn’t my strong point but I thought sperm came from the testes.

My understanding is you have to diet to get your BMI down before the NHS will give you breast reduction surgery to see if weight loss resolves your physical issues. Perhaps we should require intensive therapeutic intervention to see whether gender dysphoria resolves without surgery in gender dysphoric patients before removing their healthy organs and tissues and causing iatrogenic illness.

So it was tried 50 years ago and didn’t work? Why have you assumed it’s the right treatment now?

It would be stored in the vas deferens which gets removed. Sperm travels down the urethra which passes through the prostate, but doesn’t enter the organ.

I think I was assuming some complicated thing where they keep the prostrate and move the testes internally? Hell, I have no idea, really, LOL...just basing this off the extraction method that is used for men who have internal testes because they have a disorder of sexual reproduction like 6,XY difference of sex development due to 5-alpha-reductase 2 deficiency. Doesn't the prostrate produce semen to protect the sperm?

Makes sense. Wouldn’t gender dysphoria be the reason for a trans person to have surgery?

Treating a psychological disorder with surgery is unethical and almost certainly ineffective. HTH.

The majority of the kids these days who are being medicated and operated on in the name of gender dysphoria, suffer from very serious mental co-morbidities, each of which could be the reason for their modern-day "gender dysphoria". What they need is a thorough assessment, and psychological help to deal with their other conditions. And then we'll see if they still have anything resembling some kind of actual gender dysphoria. The rising number of de-transitioners, and the reasons they give for detransitioning, point to a far too loud "no" in the majority of cases.

@Signalbox Just had a grim thought...the doctors performing these surgeries may be no better than a lay person like me wondering how to move parts around, except they aren't scared of a scalpel.

Do you have a study on the ineffectiveness of surgery I can read?

Another result of closing down the psychiatric hospitals and underfunding psychiatry and mental health in general.

Probably cheaper to chop the bits off than have the patient go through years of therapy or something. The clipboard/lanyard person in charge of budgets is to blame IMO.

The tax payer should not be funding this, we work hard and pay our fair share to the government to provide vital public services, not cosmetic surgery. I’d bet if people had to pay themselves there wouldn’t be half so many going through with it!

my friend had a boob job, it cost her £8k so not an insurmountable figure to save up over a year or two for most employed people with no dependants.

We aren't here to do your work for you, maybe find it yourself?

I ask because I have searched for it and I haven’t found a conclusive study.

I fear they will both be able to sue, and need increasing levels of mental and physical healthcare as they realise what they’ve done as their bodies deteriorate due to inappropriate hormones and botched surgery.

Johns Hopkins stopped doing these surgeries because there was no good evidence that they received psychological distress (and obviously have major health impacts). The NHS should not be providing them

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-doctors-approved-breast-removal-for-51-trans-teenagers-qvkmz8r2c

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'Fifty-one teenagers aged 16 and 17 who were born as females were sent to hospitals in England to undergo further assessment for “specialist chest reconstruction” over the past six years, The Telegraph reported. In theory, those as young as 17 can undergo the procedure, and children aged 16 have been “referred for assessment for surgery”.'

Article from 2021.

How many anorexics get liposuction?

Sperm is produced in the testicles. I can’t imagine there would be functional sperm in the prostate for any length of time after orchiectomy.