Kellie Jay Keen

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Just watched KJK talking about all things trans on a Tanya De Grunwald podcast ( great podcast) - she says she is banned from mumsnet? I just wondered why she was banned.

Agreed. I heard HJ say KJK "wasn't middle class" while saying she agreed with and supported KJK and I thought - what the hell are you on about? Presumably that means I don't meet the standard either as I occasionally drop an h too..? Middle class is a broad church these days but I really don't like how women police other women. Like when Naomi Cunningham had that piece in Holyrood Magazine and she said she didn't think she was the best at her job and there were others better. She is obviously brilliant and overthinking. But if she had been more confident and hadn't said that and shown "modesty" then she would have been slated. To me that is why KJK gets a lot of stick - because she refuses to do the modest thing that other women expect. Good for her I say! It's ridiculous. KJK is amazing at what she does and I am somewhat ashamed of myself that I heard about the far right connections and believed them so avoided her stuff until a couple of weeks ago and after someone said what I believed (that sex is real and matters) was far right. So I watched what she does and I went to a meeting of LWS. I've been to dinner parties where people have been more controversial. If someone gets that much opposition for just saying their opinion (in milder terms than I have seen men on GB News spouting) then there is much wrong in the world.

KJK's thing is that she has one issue, which is woman = adult human female, and she'll talk to anyone on that basis.

Which means she'll sometimes go where others fear to tread. She's been on Carl Benjamin's podcast. I'm not sure I would do that (though I'd debate with him on neutral ground) because I have reservations about CB and many more reservations about the edgy boys he has on as co-hosts. But she went on, put her case in front of his audience, and neither of them said anything particularly outrageous.

If you listen to TRAs, they don't draw a distinction between KJK and the rest of us. They're quite happy to say that JKR, Julie Bindel, Helen Joyce, Maya, Allison Bailey, Alice Sullivan are all aligned with the far right. Of course you have to remember that these people are fucking insane.

But a lot of this started out with the lefty terfs using it against KJK, with the whole "pound shop Le Pen" thing. And they thought that if they were loud enough in denouncing an acceptable target, that the same line wouldn't be used against them.

Which is why I said she was percieved as, or assicated with, working class people, by the socfems and other people on the left who critisize her for political impurity. As opposed to the also on the right Helen Joyce.

KJK is happy to speak to hicks, gammon, and rednecks, and seems to take the voices of women from those groups seriously.

KJK's thing is that she has one issue, which is woman = adult human female, and she'll talk to anyone on that basis.

She'd probably be better off sticking to that then rather than pivoting to making up stories about female mayors based on fact checking with ChatGPT

I might be completely wrong, but I suspect her background / class is similar to mine.

I supect that her parents were aspirational working class, and that due to their aspiration and her intelligence and education, and marriage and husband's job, her kids are solidly middle class. But KJK herself is a bit stuck in the middle, middle class compared to the "proper working classes" but still far to abrasively as a result of her working class parents to be fully accepted into the sort of middle class circles HJ can fit into with ease.

It's almost as though she sees all humans as equal, and is not someone who thinks a life has more value if the person concerned has three degrees and speaks in a posj voice. Almost like she appreciates the tendency of the working classes to speak clearly and directly, as opposed to the tendency of the middle classes to potificate and demonstrate, even though in doing so they are making their message less clear and less persuasive.

Yes I agree with this.

She uses gender stereotypes to her advantage. Deliberately.

Plus she's unashamedly up herself, gleeful about it in fact.

It winds up TRAs and socfems no end. Which only really has the result of making her do it more.

You can see exactly why she gets both tutted at by some people, and is simultaneously extraordinarily successful.

I hope this link works. It's KJK being interviewed on this morning 6 years ago with IW. This was filmed at a time when KJK was often a lone voice on national media in pointing out the absurdness of trans ideology. I remember being taken aback when I first heard her speak so bluntly but I could see she was 100% correct. A brave, intelligent, charismatic woman who was right. Thank you KJK.

Look at the most recent popes.

What do you have to believe or support to be far right?

I suspect it is control immigration, don't trans kids, cut taxes.

Ah. yes. This was the favoured tactic of Alice Roberts against a more junior female academic, as I personally witnessed the exchange unfolding on the then-Twitter.

Her 'argument' was tantamount to: 'I'm a professor and you're not. Therefore what I say carries more intellectual gravitas (even if it's a crock of effin ole rot) because I am a professor. And you're not'.

Junior academic: 'okay, but' and continues making her very sound, reasonable points without needing academic credentials to support them. The points stood for themselves. Evidently realising this, the Good Professor became more irate as she was obviously having difficulties in countering them, then others joined in and also told her she was being unreasonable. She went off in a flounce and shut down her Twitter profile, claiming she was the victim of misogynistic bullying.

The only bully I saw in action during the entirety of that exchange was her. Seems to be quite a pattern with this brand of 'activisim'.

Dodgy though. She took donations to open a women's refuge, didn't actually do it, and then kept the money instead of refunding it. It was like twenty grand.

She didn't 'keep it', she donated it to Let Women Speak which gives a voice to all women, including those who have been abused and forced to use refuges that accept men dressed as women or have nowhere to go.

The only reason she did this was because all the refuges / domestic violence charities she tried to give it to refused it because they were scared of men with a trans identity kicking off.

As far as I know no-one who actually donated has complained about her donating the money to LWS nor asked for a refund.

Also, every single crowdfunding website I've donated to has a pretty clear series of disclaimers including what the money might be used for if it can't be used for its original purpose, so no-one who donated would have been entirely surprised by this.

Kellie Jay Keen who was so vocal about how fantastic a Trump presidency would be? That Kellie Jay Keen?

The one who's a complete fucking idiot?

Nah I think it's the other one

And a cherry on top in a box with a bow xx

Apart from, of course, trans people, whom she sees as inferior and less equal, and calls for landlords to refuse them housing and employers to refuse them employment:

Wow, I'm as GC as they come but I find that video revolting. She's just a nasty bigot.

It is wrong to discriminate against someone for making the [meaningless] claim that they are trans.

It is not wrong to refuse to tolerate or employ or provide services to people who engage in appalling behaviours. How can - for example - an employer meet the needs of their female staff whilst employing someone who is male and constantly trying to access things / spaces set up for women?

if I remember correctly that video came out following a youngster who was pontificating about a job interview they had just been to.
The blue haired multiply pierced and tattooed youngster schooled the interviewer in pronouns and inclusion and generally demonstrated no customer facing skills and no tolerance for diversity at all. She was then outraged to find she didn’t get the job.

No wait- she turned the job offer down as it was made unpalatable-
She’d demonstrated her utter pain in the arse unsuitability for employment in your average workplace and the potential employer had cleverly made the job look unappetising rather than risk saying ‘no’ to this belligerent child.

That was under discussion at the time.

I think there was a chap in a skin tight stretchy dress interviewing for a nursery nurse position as well. The outfit was unsuitable for an interview even worn by a woman.

She did well there- three against one. No support just contradiction from everyone else there.

I wonder what the best way to handle such interviews is? I think I might seek to make it 100% clear that two of the most important requirements for the job are a customer-focussed attitude (the customer is always right, and if I am misgendered then I will say NOTHING because my role is to serve the customer and make their visit as good as possible so they return and make my boss even more money in future), and an explicit desire to embrace and celebrate the only true diversity that matters - diversity of belief and opinion (which obviously does not extend to intolerant beliefs, such as sexism, homophobia or support for terrorism).

@JamieCannister the risk would be that the candidate would set the wrath of the TRAs upon you and your business.

That’s potentially pretty risky. You’d find it hard to evidence it wasn’t transphobia on your part, given that everything is transphobia.